I was looking through my old catalogs and spotted these, figured someone here might be interested. Both in PDF format. Link to download, right below the picture.
The first is a Aug. 1984 review in Guns and Ammo. Some info on the original PSI. specs of the 10mm when it first came out.
(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l342/Schtoolee/Aug1984GampA_01.jpg)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4ZkxtjE_AyLa2dMaUh2Z2ZJWnM/edit?usp=sharing
The second is Dec.1984 Weapon
(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l342/Schtoolee/Dec1894Weaponspg1.jpg)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4ZkxtjE_AyLZ0dIdFdwTUdIXzg/edit?usp=sharing
If you like these, I found others AMT, S&W. models. Also some on just the 10mm ammo at the time. Still looking through pile of catalogs. Let me know if you want more.
Will add the Falcon here since it was to be the next Bren-Ten
(http://i328.photobucket.com/albums/l342/Schtoolee/GWJuly1991cover.jpg)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4ZkxtjE_AyLTVNHbHBYQUJJVkE/edit?usp=sharing
Are these set to publicly share? It could be just me but couldn't get them.
They should be set up so that "Anyone who has the link can view". Are you clicking on the link below the picture? The picture is just a picture of the front of the magazine.
Got it. You have to be signed in.
Interesting. The article exhibits a lot of traits that were inherent to articles of its day.
I see that Col. Cooper wanted the safety in the same location as his vaunted 1911, so he could carry the Bren Ten cocked and locked and have the safety in a location he was used to. I wonder if this change in the CZ design contributed to the problems associated with the Bren Ten, and its lack of success? I guess we will never know.
Thanks for posting this.
Id say the Limited Pro 10mm is about as close as one get's to a Bren style without various features Bren had. If I had the 2 NIB in front of me, I would choose the Tanfo.
Quote from: 4949shooter on December 22 2013 05:46:39 AM MST
Interesting. The article exhibits a lot of traits that were inherent to articles of its day.
I see that Col. Cooper wanted the safety in the same location as his vaunted 1911, so he could carry the Bren Ten cocked and locked and have the safety in a location he was used to. I wonder if this change in the CZ design contributed to the problems associated with the Bren Ten, and its lack of success? I guess we will never know.
Thanks for posting this.
The Bren Ten's had lots of problems and I do not feel that the 1911 style safety caused any of them. Foremost was the lack of quality magazines and then the total lack of magazines. They were actually shipping pistols without magazines if you can believe that.
Then the cast slides which had cracks or other flaws which could not be seen with the naked eye. Customers were shooting their new pistols and cracks were developing.
Finally they got behind and were running out of money so to build new pistols they were forced to use out of spec parts and I have been told they were actually fitting them with bench grinders to get something out the door.
Starting a venture under financed has been the downfall of many.
Quote from: BEEMER! on December 22 2013 08:31:43 AM MST
Quote from: 4949shooter on December 22 2013 05:46:39 AM MST
Interesting. The article exhibits a lot of traits that were inherent to articles of its day.
I see that Col. Cooper wanted the safety in the same location as his vaunted 1911, so he could carry the Bren Ten cocked and locked and have the safety in a location he was used to. I wonder if this change in the CZ design contributed to the problems associated with the Bren Ten, and its lack of success? I guess we will never know.
Thanks for posting this.
The Bren Ten's had lots of problems and I do not feel that the 1911 style safety caused any of them. Foremost was the lack of quality magazines and then the total lack of magazines. They were actually shipping pistols without magazines if you can believe that.
Then the cast slides which had cracks or other flaws which could not be seen with the naked eye. Customers were shooting their new pistols and cracks were developing.
Finally they got behind and were running out of money so to build new pistols they were forced to use out of spec parts and I have been told they were actually fitting them with bench grinders to get something out the door.
Starting a venture under financed has been the downfall of many.
That's good to know. Thanks for the info!
schtoolee, Thank you for these postings of the original articles...The "Pull-Down" they did in the magazine "9 grains of stick powder" matches somewhat with the "Pull-Down" I did that shows 9.6 - 9.8 grains of rod/stick shaped powders.
You have more Bren Ten materials??? Man these have me looking for more! :o
Man, that brings back memories. I still want one.
Quote from: The_Shadow on December 22 2013 06:22:22 PM MST
You have more Bren Ten materials??? Man these have me looking for more! :o
I still have some more mags to look thorough , but that is all I have seen on the Bren-ten sofar. I have one on the Javilin, and several on the S&W models, and I think one on the Omaga. Will start putting more on here after Xmas.
Intresting title on first magazine at top."Gun Control:Deceit In Schools.
Quote from: schtoolee on December 22 2013 06:56:02 PM MST
Quote from: The_Shadow on December 22 2013 06:22:22 PM MST
You have more Bren Ten materials??? Man these have me looking for more! :o
I still have some more mags to look thorough , but that is all I have seen on the Bren-ten sofar. I have one on the Javilin, and several on the S&W models, and I think one on the Omaga. Will start putting more on here after Xmas.
There is always this website: http://www.bren-ten.com/website/
Still despite it's troubles, I'd like a BrenTen. The look and the feel of it are great. Think the feel of an EAA Witness and you know what it is like. I wish that VLTOR will do something with it and bring it out. I do hope it they do they keep the redundant safety systems. Voit who was going to release it as the Peregrine Falcon was going to change some of that. I imagine VLTOR will too. But as long as we get it I'd get one.
Quote from: P33v3 on December 23 2013 09:21:12 AM MST
Still despite it's troubles, I'd like a BrenTen. The look and the feel of it are great. Think the feel of an EAA Witness and you know what it is like. I wish that VLTOR will do something with it and bring it out. I do hope it they do they keep the redundant safety systems. Voit who was going to release it as the Peregrine Falcon was going to change some of that. I imagine VLTOR will too. But as long as we get it I'd get one.
Vltor's President was heard saying that they still planned on bringing out the Bren Ten in 2013 at the SHOT Show last year.
Eric Kincel no longer works there but I just sent him an email to see if he has heard any rumors about what's going on. It's a bad time of year to get ahold of some one but if I hear anything I will let you know or maybe we will just have to wait for the SHOT Show
Yea, I was one who had my coins in the BPS coffer in hopes for the VLTOR viced BT. Bass Pro was great to do business with considering the whole ordeal. I'm sure if VLTOR were to make them, they would still sell, but given this market and government hostilities toward firearms in general things aren't looking well for them to proceed with the "project"! :(
The best thing was, I used the money and added a little more to procure a "Original" Bren Ten (Dornaus & Dixon Enterprises, Inc.)
(https://s20.postimg.org/cgauitfrx/9985d3a9-2f70-4ff9-9324-1fef2024398a_zps65255176.jpg)
I'd get an original but I just don't believe in safe queens. I'd want to shoot and/or carry it.
The guy I got it from was said to have had the slide magnafluxed and was said to have no issues, I could see where it was shot previously. The guy I got it from only shot a few Remington sub-sonic ammo from it, but the guy before him did shoot it some as well. I haven't shot it yet, but after cleaning up completely I would have no hesitation shooting ammo I handload specially for it. Without replacement parts easily available it does make for more of a safe queen! Hey that's why I have the others to shoot with.
Quote from: The_Shadow on December 23 2013 02:26:40 PM MST
The guy I got it from was said to have had the slide magnafluxed and was said to have no issues, I could see where it was shot previously. The guy I got it from only shot a few Remington sub-sonic ammo from it, but the guy before him did shoot it some as well. I haven't shot it yet, but after cleaning up completely I would have no hesitation shooting ammo I handload specially for it. Without replacement parts easily available it does make for more of a safe queen! Hey that's why I have the others to shoot with.
You have a beautiful one there though. I definitely hope VLTOR comes out with one. If they do, I'll get one. Then I would call Ted Blocker for a lifeline rig for it. I still prefer to carry using a shoulder holster. My 1076 rides in a Galco Jackass rig.
Added the Falcon to post #2. Figured since it was supposed to replace the Bren-Ten, it should go with it.
Quote from: BEEMER! on December 23 2013 10:35:26 AM MST
Quote from: P33v3 on December 23 2013 09:21:12 AM MST
Still despite it's troubles, I'd like a BrenTen. The look and the feel of it are great. Think the feel of an EAA Witness and you know what it is like. I wish that VLTOR will do something with it and bring it out. I do hope it they do they keep the redundant safety systems. Voit who was going to release it as the Peregrine Falcon was going to change some of that. I imagine VLTOR will too. But as long as we get it I'd get one.
Vltor's President was heard saying that they still planned on bringing out the Bren Ten in 2013 at the SHOT Show last year.
Eric Kincel no longer works there but I just sent him an email to see if he has heard any rumors about what's going on. It's a bad time of year to get ahold of some one but if I hear anything I will let you know or maybe we will just have to wait for the SHOT Show
I heard from Eric and Vltor will not have their Bren Ten ready for the SHOT Show but are still planning on releasing yet in 2014. Let's hope anyway.