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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Patriot on December 18 2013 12:44:57 PM MST

Title: Victim mentality
Post by: Patriot on December 18 2013 12:44:57 PM MST
Was reading an article about car jackings, and a statement by the police chief pissed me off. It's like he wants people to just be victims.

"And never resist if you encounter an attacker. "Whatever he wants, just give up, because nothing is worth the cost of your life," - Police Chief Higgins

http://www.northjersey.com/news/Authorities_Man_killed_Short_Hills_NJ_mall_carjacking.html

This kind of mentality makes me sick. They want us to be victims. If someone wants your car, give it to them. If they are breaking into your house in the middle of the night, call the cops and wait. If someone tries to take your wallet, hand it over. 
Title: Re: Victim mentality
Post by: 4949shooter on December 18 2013 01:13:14 PM MST
This incident happened 40 minutes from where I live. My parents live within 10 minutes of that mall, and my mother and my wife shop there occasionally.

This is New Jersey, so the police chief's attitude doesn't  surprise me.
Title: Re: Victim mentality
Post by: HammersD on December 18 2013 01:57:53 PM MST
That statement by the police chief must have made all the NJ criminals happy.  If the perp is obviously holding a firearm, then yeah it is probably better to concede but not if some guy walks up to you and says give me your money, hell no.  ready your stance and get your hand on the CCW and tell him he best be moving along. 

I have always thought that open carry might be a good deterrent to criminals since they know their potential victim will likely defend themselves with lethal force.  The wild west back in day seems more peaceful than some urban areas today.
Title: Re: Victim mentality
Post by: sqlbullet on December 18 2013 02:13:31 PM MST
Studies have shown that the perps choose targets that give off the signs that they are victims.

You don't need to have a gun openly carried to broadcast you aren't a victim.  Head up, scan your environment.  Make eye contact with anyone that is going to pass within 15' of you.  Simple things like that will keep 95% of them at bay.
Title: Re: Victim mentality
Post by: Mr. AR50 on December 19 2013 05:23:20 PM MST
Some people choose to be sheep, and others choose to be sheep dogs. You just have to decide which one you are.  ::)
Title: Re: Victim mentality
Post by: pacapcop on December 19 2013 05:41:17 PM MST
Alot of times esp back in the 90's the perp ended up either shooting the victim or beating after the victim gave up the goods. Big city metro chiefs comments not surprising.
Title: Re: Victim mentality
Post by: Steve4102 on December 19 2013 09:04:14 PM MST
Seems Par-for-the-Course.  After all, it's only he and his that are qualified to "protect".  All others are Vigilantes and should be put down and have their firearms taken away.
Title: Re: Victim mentality
Post by: gandog56 on December 20 2013 06:31:46 AM MST
Quote from: HammersD on December 18 2013 01:57:53 PM MST
That statement by the police chief must have made all the NJ criminals happy.  If the perp is obviously holding a firearm, then yeah it is probably better to concede but not if some guy walks up to you and says give me your money, hell no.  ready your stance and get your hand on the CCW and tell him he best be moving along. 

I have always thought that open carry might be a good deterrent to criminals since they know their potential victim will likely defend themselves with lethal force.  The wild west back in day seems more peaceful than some urban areas today.

Move along?

If I was armed, I would tell him to eat some real estate, and don't move, then dial 911 on my cell!
Title: Re: Victim mentality
Post by: tommac919 on December 20 2013 08:09:36 AM MST
Quote from: sqlbullet on December 18 2013 02:13:31 PM MST
Studies have shown that the perps choose targets that give off the signs that they are victims.
..snip..  Head up, scan your environment.  Make eye contact with anyone that is going to pass within 15' of you.  Simple things like that will keep 95% of them at bay.

Agreed, vey important to be alert! 
A few yrs ago had somthing similar happen... wife and I leaving a resturant at 10pm, walking to/in a public parking lot.  Noticed 4 guys 50 yards behind following... got wife over to weak side. I had looked at them and they said something (unknown) back... As we approched the car I heard footsteps louder as they were now jogging closer, wife and I with back to car now and I just looked back standing my ground, they stopped runing but kept walking towards us.. I put my hand back under jacket, in ready position... at 25 feet they stopped dead, looked and then jogged off sharply to the side away from us.
Thought it was going south bad, but I guess they got the idea it wasn't easy enough.
Close enough for me tho!
Title: Re: Victim mentality
Post by: gandog56 on December 21 2013 06:13:58 AM MST
Quote from: tommac919 on December 20 2013 08:09:36 AM MST
Quote from: sqlbullet on December 18 2013 02:13:31 PM MST
Studies have shown that the perps choose targets that give off the signs that they are victims.
..snip..  Head up, scan your environment.  Make eye contact with anyone that is going to pass within 15' of you.  Simple things like that will keep 95% of them at bay.

Agreed, vey important to be alert! 
A few yrs ago had somthing similar happen... wife and I leaving a resturant at 10pm, walking to/in a public parking lot.  Noticed 4 guys 50 yards behind following... got wife over to weak side. I had looked at them and they said something (unknown) back... As we approched the car I heard footsteps louder as they were now jogging closer, wife and I with back to car now and I just looked back standing my ground, they stopped runing but kept walking towards us.. I put my hand back under jacket, in ready position... at 25 feet they stopped dead, looked and then jogged off sharply to the side away from us.
Thought it was going south bad, but I guess they got the idea it wasn't easy enough.
Close enough for me tho!

Put hand under coat though, you better have something UNDER that coat!
Title: Re: Victim mentality
Post by: tommac919 on December 21 2013 06:40:39 AM MST
<Put hand under coat though, you better have something UNDER that coat!>

But of course.... they would have been meeting Mr Sig.   :o

But the whole story is to stay aware of your surroundings and  trust the hair on the back of yr neck.... if things don't feel right stop and think!