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10mm Ammuntion => Factory 10mm ammo => Topic started by: Intercooler on October 29 2013 08:17:35 PM MDT

Title: Crossfire Ammunition 125gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: Intercooler on October 29 2013 08:17:35 PM MDT
    These haven't been offered yet publicly but I should have some Friday to test. I was told they will be in the 1500 FPS range which should be fine. My plan is to test 2-3 for velocity and send a couple to Raggedyman to gel test. Should make a 6" hole but don't know about penetration.
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 140gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: 4949shooter on October 30 2013 04:18:20 AM MDT
I am thinking 6 to 8" of penetration on this one.
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 140gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: Intercooler on October 30 2013 06:29:19 AM MDT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEEdJYrB6PY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

To give an idea of how they perform. Gel and close shots.

Apartment or HD
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 140gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: 4949shooter on October 30 2013 07:19:56 AM MDT
Wow that dude was close to the steel plate.

I might have to pick some up for pest control around the homestead.
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 140gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: Intercooler on October 31 2013 02:51:14 PM MDT
   They arrived today and the plan is to shoot them tomorrow. I'm thinking about taking a hard object to hit with one to see what we get. Should I take Plywood or a piece of 3/4" drywall?

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Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 140gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: 4949shooter on October 31 2013 03:40:57 PM MDT
I would say both. Maybe put the sheetrock in front of the plywood, and then see what happens when you put a round into it.
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 140gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: 4949shooter on November 01 2013 05:01:42 AM MDT
Do you have rain by you today?

It's bad up here.
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 140gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: Intercooler on November 01 2013 05:33:28 AM MDT
Rain but it shows clearing later. If it's not too heavy I can still do them quickly from the enclosure.
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 125gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: Intercooler on November 01 2013 07:17:07 AM MDT
   Updated the subject to reflect 125gr. This is a custom load and a 140gr doesn't exist at this time.
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 125gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: The_Shadow on November 01 2013 08:47:01 AM MDT
Those look interesting, steel plates being struck should turn them back to dust, other brands of compressed material projectiles even did so in meat.  Those shooting steel challenges were looking for non-ricocheting type projectiles for safer range experience.  I don't think they caught on because of pricing and cast bullets did bust up on the steel.

Looking for the range report and your experience. :D
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 125gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: Intercooler on November 01 2013 08:49:22 AM MDT
Is this the only 10mm frag round out there?
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 125gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: The_Shadow on November 01 2013 08:55:49 AM MDT
Probably so commercially...
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 125gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: macc283 on November 01 2013 11:08:11 AM MDT
rbcd has fragmenting ammo also commercialy
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 125gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: Intercooler on November 01 2013 11:27:32 AM MDT
  I remember that one and think it was much lighter (77gr?)
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 125gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: Intercooler on November 02 2013 10:13:42 AM MDT
 Smoking! Out of the EAA Elite Limited 4.75" barrel 1700, 1715, 1724. Average = 1713 FPS/ 815 LBS  :o

Shot at Plywood followed by Drywall. I actually think it was a win because neither type of material made it fragment (watch the impact on the rear bank). Now if it hit something hard like a bone  :o



Plywood
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Drywall
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Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 125gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: Intercooler on November 02 2013 10:23:43 AM MDT
Best viewed in 720P or 1080P  ;D
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 125gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: The_Shadow on November 02 2013 10:29:26 AM MDT
Interesting, 8) but you may need a Pineapple!  :P
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 125gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: Intercooler on November 02 2013 10:34:51 AM MDT
  Passed some other rounds over today as well:

Underwood 155gr TMJ 1412, 1456, 1459. Average = 1442.33 FPS/ 716 LBS
HPR 200gr XTP 1071 FPS/ 509 LBS
BVAC 165gr FMJ 1076, 1087, 1110, 1078, 1091. Average = 1088.4 FPS/ 434 LBS
HPR 165gr HBFP 1257, 1255, 1268, 1254, 1265. Average = 1259.8 FPS/ 582 LBS
HPR 180gr XTP 1234 FPS/ 609 LBS
Ted Nugent 135gr Sierra HP 1427, 1381. Average = 1404 FPS/ 591 LBS
Underwood 180gr TMJ 1316, 1321, 1306, 1324, 1316. Average = 1316.6 FPS/ 693 LBS
Armscor 180gr FMJ 1162, 1134, 1145, 1121, 1163. Average = 1145 FPS/ 524 LBS
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 125gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: Intercooler on November 02 2013 10:38:13 AM MDT
Milo actually wants me to do the Pineapple! Next time...

So unlike the DRT rounds:



Where the composite material totally exploded early, I think these may actually go in a little. The gel test will be the most interesting of these!

Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 125gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: 4949shooter on November 02 2013 10:45:04 AM MDT
It sounds like it is extremely hot from the video.

Are there any pressure signs?
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 125gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: Intercooler on November 02 2013 10:49:02 AM MDT
 These and the 140's are rather pleasant to shoot plus not as loud. You really should pick up a box of each and try them. Let me get some brass measurements and pictures. I didn't see anything when I picked them up.
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 125gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: Intercooler on November 02 2013 11:03:56 AM MDT
Average .421" starting and .431" fired average.

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Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 125gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: The_Shadow on November 02 2013 11:35:48 AM MDT
I have to wonder if these are a copper jacket with the compressed powdered copper inside. 
There are some frangibles that are completely compressed powdered copper or tungsten/copper formations.  I don't think the Tungsten is used for rifled use as that may be harsh on rifling.   However they are used in matrix BB's for shotgun with smooth bores.

Varmint rifle rounds are made similar to those DRT with the compressed pellet inside the thin copper jacket, which explodes as the varmints are struck, with pieces parts flying in many directions.  One showing a grape being hit.
Barnes has some videos but they require downloading http://www.barnesbullets.com/information/high-speed-video/ (http://www.barnesbullets.com/information/high-speed-video/)
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 125gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: 4949shooter on November 02 2013 12:55:19 PM MDT
Those look like any 10mm fired brass I have shot.

Very nice.
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 125gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: 4949shooter on November 03 2013 01:56:36 AM MST
I didn't see these on their website.
Title: Re: Crossfire Ammunition 125gr Grenade Fragmenting Round
Post by: Intercooler on November 03 2013 03:21:12 AM MST
    They were a custom for me. If you contact him they can be ordered.