Just curious from all the home made test done what y'all think is the most devastating round tested. Not so much the penetrating depth. 10mm of course.
It would be very hard to deny several different rounds and some are not sold in the 10mm cartridge.
Federal HST 180 @ 1300 fps would be a very devastating round, non factory (handloaded) but these are not offered as components.
Any Gold Dot bullet should live up to performance...
The Buffalo Bore 155 TAC-XP @ 1450 is available as commercial cartridges. They are costly because they are 100% copper. Barnes TAC-XP line has 125, 140 and 155 grain bullets in there line up as components.
Winchester SilverTips also expensive. If Winchester would load their Ranger and Ranger T series to some higher performance, they would be good to go, but these are not offered as components.
Most all of Underwood's 10mm offerings are quite capable of most any task.
Handloading does offer many options to dial in a performance level for your needs. :D
135 Nosler from Underwood or Double Tap.
Most can mean many things I guess. Some like fragments, penetration, expansion, etc... I have seen the 155gr Gold Dot expand like crazy and hit hard!
I like the 155gr weight in all Copper or Underwood 155gr Gold Dot. Here is a wax block I made and hit with an Underwood 155gr Gold Dot.
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I like the bone crushing effect of hard cast lead but for devastation, a light copper hollow point that opens like a fan blade and tears through soft tissue will make a bad guy anemic pretty quick! I carry the 165 grn. Underwood load in my G29.
Are the 125gr coppers frag nasty or do they hold up?
What I gather light grain coppers or mid grain lead.
This question lacks the necessary qualifications to have an answer. We must know what we are shooting.
I tend to favor lead bullets over jacketed. But for light game or two legged predators, I choose 180 -200 grain hollow points. Otherwise I take a 200-210 grain WFN.
All loaded to about 1250 -1350 fps.
I prefer a lighter faster bullet for maximum tissue damage. Nosler 135gr at 1520 fps or Nosler 150 gr at 1420 fps. Kinda goes back to the proven - 357 mag 125gr HP load , very effective.
Sean
Quote from: sqlbullet on September 24 2013 08:59:55 AM MDT
This question lacks the necessary qualifications to have an answer. We must know what we are shooting.
Only qualification is when you think of a 10mm round which do you think of first. Which in my mind is the one that totally f'd something up making a big impression. Bottle, can, jello, old fridge, junk car, phone books, critters. Whatever was your target.
My only point is a 135 grain JHP at 1550 fps is not going to be nearly as devastating to an elk or mule deer as a 200 grain WFN will be. On the other hand, that 200 grain may just poke holes in a rock-chuck, where the 135 grain would explosively eviscerate one.
So, I can't pick a "most devastating 10mm round" until I know what we are shooting.
Carry on!
The most devastating round was one I apparently double charged. I was extremely lucky and it only blew the magazine up. :o
Well since the orig question was not so much about depth,im thinking a self def load. Im staying with the 135 Nosler.Now cooler season,ill use the 180 Nugent.
You know I would have no qualms about driving any of these 156 grain pills @ 1300+ fps...or the 140 grain Barnes @ 1400+ :o
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Shadow, the OP asked about "devastation" not "carnage". ;D
Well those florescent-green 156 grain Lyman cast bullets are Devastators! :o
Quote from: The_Shadow on September 24 2013 08:07:22 PM MDT
Well those florescent-green 156 grain Lyman cast bullets are Devastators! :o
Shadow, how fast have you pushed those Devastators? I don't have a mold for them, but do cast the Mihec 160gr hollow point, which is a different nose design but also very deep and wide. At 1650+ fps from my longslide G20, they are pretty devastating, and will vaporize a couple milk jugs of water, with only tiny lead fragments remaining.
Yes at 1400 fps (9.6 gr Power Pistol / 5" 1006) there are many fragments with about 85-95 grains as a flattened pellet around 0.500" - 0.600", 3 gallon jugs water blasted with the 4th busted & stoppage inside.
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Excellent performance in it's own right.
And even if you paid for that lead, the cost/performance ratio is astronomically high.
Gotta luv cast HP bullets!!!
Quote from: The_Shadow on September 24 2013 08:07:22 PM MDT
Well those florescent-green 156 grain Lyman cast bullets are Devastators! :o
They devastated my eyes, that's for sure! ;D
Quote from: gandog56 on September 26 2013 11:18:29 AM MDT
Quote from: The_Shadow on September 24 2013 08:07:22 PM MDT
Well those florescent-green 156 grain Lyman cast bullets are Devastators! :o
They devastated my eyes, that's for sure! ;D
Gandog56, I did that as a rebuttal to Hornady not making any 10mm Zombie Max available when they put out their line-up. It was nothing more than painting them prior to sizing and lubing them. The red lube looks like tainted blood....
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I went as far as posting those pictures on their FaceBook page with my remarks for not making stuff for us 10mm guys and gals.
"Devastating" is not a term that I would apply to any pistol cartridge.
That said, the 135 gr loads created significant disruption, despite having woefully inadequate penetration.
Pistols are not powerful, they're portable.
And THIS is what I would call "devastating":
http://www.hornadyle.com/products/rifle-ammunition/308-win-tap/155-gr-a-max-tap-precision (http://www.hornadyle.com/products/rifle-ammunition/308-win-tap/155-gr-a-max-tap-precision)
Quote from: 475/480 on September 24 2013 09:11:47 AM MDT
I prefer a lighter faster bullet for maximum tissue damage. Nosler 135gr at 1520 fps or Nosler 150 gr at 1420 fps. Kinda goes back to the proven - 357 mag 125gr HP load , very effective.
Sean
A .355" projectile has a higher sectional density than a .400" bullet of similar weight. That's why 125 gr .357 mag penetrates adequately and 155 gr 10mm typically does not.
Quote from: The_Shadow on September 24 2013 08:07:22 PM MDT
Well those florescent-green 156 grain Lyman cast bullets are Devastators! :o
I think I'll be testing one of those 156 gr Lymans this Monday. I'm really interested in seeing what it does but I expect quick, aggressive expansion, moderate fragmentation and limited penetration. Then again, if it frags early, leaving a mostly round core, it might go pretty deep.
OP, I forgot to mention that my favorite defense loads that I've seen so far are 165 gr Gold Dots or 180 gr Gold Dot, XTP, or HST. If deeper penetration is required, the 200 gr XTP offers a nice compromise between penetration and expansion when loaded to about 1,200 fps or so.
Quote from: The_Shadow on September 26 2013 12:34:20 PM MDT
Quote from: gandog56 on September 26 2013 11:18:29 AM MDT
Quote from: The_Shadow on September 24 2013 08:07:22 PM MDT
Well those florescent-green 156 grain Lyman cast bullets are Devastators! :o
They devastated my eyes, that's for sure! ;D
Gandog56, I did that as a rebuttal to Hornady not making any 10mm Zombie Max available when they put out their line-up. It was nothing more than painting them prior to sizing and lubing them. The red lube looks like tainted blood....
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I went as far as posting those pictures on their FaceBook page with my remarks for not making stuff for us 10mm guys and gals.
Aww lighten up. I was just funning them.
No offense taken, just explaining how they came to be for those that didn't know...With the rest of that paint, I painted some of my garden tools' handles makes them easy to find! ;)
I wrestled with the idea of calling the round "devastating" since it us a hand fun (get it?). But I figured it would spur a conversation of past memories of wow that was awesome. I currently carry under woods 180's until I have shot the enough rounds of various types to find one that I feel the most comfortable with and can be accurate the most. Unless something happens during my next range time I may be back to carrying hornadys 155gr. Xtp's. I ran out out of time last time at the range to test what I have. Used to shoot a lot but the last three years I may go once or twice a year. I guess it comes in cycles.
If recoil was the best indication of devastation Hornady 155 would not be king. Its not 600ft pounds but so far I shoot the best with it and felt recoil is more than what my 40 produces.
155 did punish my old computer monitor. My boys were impressed. When I dropped it off at the annual recycle day for monitors nobody even looked at me weird. I guess I wasn't the first.
In my tests, neither the 155 gr Gold Dot or XTP penetrated deeply enough for defense. In 10mm, I would recommend 165 gr or heavier JHP.
I've seen test on YouTube and the 165 and 200's are up next for my test. But if I can't hit anything fast and accurate the 155's have the job. Until I can stock up on heavier and shoot them a lot. Plan on taking family out tomorrow morning so I should have a designated round. Got to get the milk jugs ready. Boys love that.
In my G20 I use Underwood 180 gr Gold Dots DE load 1240 fps in the winter . The G29 165 gr Underwood Gold Dots.
Quote from: sgtbones on October 29 2013 08:05:43 PM MDT
In my G20 I use Underwood 180 gr Gold Dots DE load 1240 fps in the winter . The G29 165 gr Underwood Gold Dots.
Those are both good choices. I have always believed that the 10mm should be paired with 180gr and 200gr rounds. 165gr is a good choice for the shorter G29 as it gives it just a little more zip to aid expansion.
Big 10 4 ;)
Quote from: P33v3 on October 30 2013 03:54:55 PM MDT
Quote from: sgtbones on October 29 2013 08:05:43 PM MDT
In my G20 I use Underwood 180 gr Gold Dots DE load 1240 fps in the winter . The G29 165 gr Underwood Gold Dots.
Those are both good choices. I have always believed that the 10mm should be paired with 180gr and 200gr rounds. 165gr is a good choice for the shorter G29 as it gives it just a little more zip to aid expansion.
But it seems to me that when you are moving to a shorter barrel, you perhaps may have to choose whether to try to preserve penetration (which would argue for a heavier bullet in the shorter barrel) OR to preserve expansion (which would argue for a lighter bullet in the shorter barrel) ... I doubt that you can simultaneously preserve both, unless you use a cartridge with a higher muzzle energy in the shorter barrel. That's my thinking, anyway.
Quote from: Mike_Fontenot on October 30 2013 06:15:44 PM MDT
Quote from: P33v3 on October 30 2013 03:54:55 PM MDT
Quote from: sgtbones on October 29 2013 08:05:43 PM MDT
In my G20 I use Underwood 180 gr Gold Dots DE load 1240 fps in the winter . The G29 165 gr Underwood Gold Dots.
Those are both good choices. I have always believed that the 10mm should be paired with 180gr and 200gr rounds. 165gr is a good choice for the shorter G29 as it gives it just a little more zip to aid expansion.
But it seems to me that when you are moving to a shorter barrel, you perhaps may have to choose whether to try to preserve penetration (which would argue for a heavier bullet in the shorter barrel) OR to preserve expansion (which would argue for a lighter bullet in the shorter barrel) ... I doubt that you can simultaneously preserve both, unless you use a cartridge with a higher muzzle energy in the shorter barrel. That's my thinking, anyway.
According to the Master Ammo Sheet in this forum the Underwood 165gr GDHP is 732 ft.lbs vs the Underwood 180gr GDHP is 670 ft.lbs both our of a EAA Witness 4.5 inch barrel. So the lighter one in this case it would give a little more zip. I'm guessing that you would still see adequate penetration of >12 inches even with the lighter bullet and higher velocity out of a G29.
Yeah I could use the 1300 fps UW'S for the g29.