A Colorado Apt complex has told it's residents to get rid of the guns or get out. This of course will do nothing but leaves these people defenseless sitting ducks.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/07/colorado-apartment-building-tells-tenants-they-have-to-get-rid-of-their-guns-or-leave/
How will they know?
Quote from: Intercooler on August 07 2013 09:24:00 AM MDT
How will they know?
It's all over the local news. Maybe a sign on the doors as well.
I mean that you have any guns?
What if a cop lived there? So it's ok for law enforcement.Sure it will,but those pesky others/sarc. No diff in carve outs put into gun legislation. Divide and conquer. Domicile protection will prevail on this, if it's fought.
I was born and raised in Colorado. Been here almost 50 years, and I can't believe how fast the liberals have destroyed this once great state. It's time to secede- North Colorado, the 51st State!
One day,hopefully when I'm dead and gone,the entire country will be blue states.
Quote from: pacapcop on August 07 2013 11:40:25 AM MDT
One day,hopefully when I'm dead and gone,the entire country will be blue states.
Only if Blue means Socialist!
Could this be considered Rent Discrimination ? :o
Seems to me that a court battle is brewing this also means the owners and managers of the apartments have the full responsibility for the protection of the tennets. If a tennent was injured or victim of crime on the premises then they should sue the crap out of that apartment building owners and management.
Too much left coast influence in Co.
Ramjet, spot on. They are obligated.
That's my point Steve4102. Even the Red States are being infiltrated by Californians and Lib Tards. Maybe not all Californians but the vast majority. Then we got the other side, East Coast wankers.
The problem is that the contract is entered voluntarily. You can agree to give up your right to possess a gun just the same way you can give up your right to remain silent or your protection against unreasonable search. The apartment complex is privately owned and the property / business owner should have the right to do business on his terms on his own property. Most apartment complexes and HOAs also limit free speach by restricting the types of signage that can be posted by the residents. Its all in the contract the residents voluntarily sign before moving in. If you don't like the terms don't sign the contact and find another landlord to do business with.
IMO that also dispenses with the duty to protect / liability claims because it is a private party contract. The duty to protect applies (imo) to government because dealing with the government is mandatory and the government is directly bound by the bill of rights (or used to be.)
Landlords can require or deny a lot of things from their tenants, things like pets, noise, putting holes in walls, water beds, etc. These do's and don'ts are allowed as their purpose is to protect the Property.
There is also something called "Quiet Enjoyment and Possession", where the tenants actions or personal Property will neither make the property unfit for re-letting or cause demise or deterioration to the structure?
I would think owning a Legal firearm would fall under this protection.
http://www.contractstandards.com/document-checklists/lease-agreement-analysis/quiet-enjoyment
Anyhow it doesn't matter to the residents of this complex as the policy has been dropped.
http://www.9news.com/rss/article/349123/339/Apartments-firearm-policy-thrown-out
The story said; KUSA legal analyst Scott Robinson said courts have generally supported landlords' rights to impose "reasonable regulations" on their tenants.
"The question is: is an outright ban of firearms reasonable in light of the U.S. Constitution?" Robinson told KUSA.
That's really what it comes down to. I'm not a lawyer, but a few thoughts come to mind:
The ex-US Marine in the story already lives there and has had his guns there before the apartment management came up with the new anti-gun orders. He already in the past signed a contract that didn't not allow guns. I don't know what the lease terms are or what clauses may be in the lease allowing for future changes to it. Anyway, depending on how everything is, maybe he would have a case on related grounds.
This is his home. In our home, rented, leased, or owned, we have certain rights by law by various levels of gov't, that some landlord of an apartment complex can't necessarily take away or add. The apartment management can make up any bogus claim they want but it doesn't mean they are legal in doing so. In regard to pets, sure, there is no right to have a pet, therefore than can tell you you can't have pets. But if they banned clothing, there are all kinds of laws at many gov't levels that wouldn't stand for it, and the apartment management wouldn't be allowed to ban clothing (I'm assuming people are legally expected to wear clothes in CO. ;D).
Many things are allowed by law in your dwelling place that aren't necessarily allowed elsewhere, regardless if you rent, lease, or own.
Anyway, just some thoughts. The courts are there to sort it all out. I honestly doubt the Apartment management has grounds to stand on. Though they would get away with it regardless if no one takes a stand against it whether it's legal or not.
Quote from: Steve4102 on August 08 2013 08:00:39 AM MDTAnyhow it doesn't matter to the residents of this complex as the policy has been dropped.
http://www.9news.com/rss/article/349123/339/Apartments-firearm-policy-thrown-out
LOL, didn't see you posted this till after I posted. Well pointed out! Glad to see it worked out that way. There's hope yet.
From the 9News article:
"The company's owner, Debi Ross, and her husband have given $9,000, only to Democrats, since 2006."
That explains it all.
More evidence of people who make decisions based on emotion over reality. Or, maybe they really do prefer government making all their livelihood decisions for them. Either way they are ignorant, not being intelligent toward what they wish for.
Funny they wanted to be centered in a gun free zone of their own making (attempted anyway). They must have overlooked most mass shootings occurring in gun free zones. Or maybe they are in with the hypocritical liberal bunch who keep guns for themselves while doing their best to disarm everyone else around them.
QuoteOr maybe they are in with the hypocritical liberal bunch who keep guns for themselves while doing their best to disarm everyone else around them.
I'm sure, but these tenants would not be "Around them". The owners of the Ross Management group most likely have a very nice mansion estate with a gate and quite possibly armed guards.
Good point Steve4102. Very possible.
Yes, Colorado has changed pretty fast in the 19 years I have been here. The liberal CA folks have moved in and are taking over. I don't think the apartment building owners have a leg to stand on in court with this, but I assume they are thinking of doing what they can to deflect any lawsuits that would come their way for a shooting incident in a building, since the shooter would likely not have any money or assets to fund the plaintiffs retirement. It is a sad world that is coming to fruition in the US. The kinds of litigation that are being put forth make it dangerous for anyone to do most anything, now.
Quote from: Mr. AR50 on August 07 2013 11:06:29 AM MDT
I was born and raised in Colorado. Been here almost 50 years, and I can't believe how fast the liberals have destroyed this once great state. It's time to secede- North Colorado, the 51st State!
Same exact thing has happened here in Montana.
My state has a castle doctrine that encompasses your domocile and vehicle. You don't have to own them. It is written so it even covers motel/hotel rooms and rental cars. If I have paid for the accommodation, it becomes my castle, and I can possess and carry a gun therein.