Mornin guys,
I picked up another 10MM a couple months back. It's a 2nd gen GLOCK 20. I have fit it with a set of TFO sites, a 6" KKM barrel and a bit of trigger work. It's gonna be a big game hunting pistol for me here in Connecticut.
I have had a couple Delta Elites and really like the round but the colts barrel and action are not really condusive to top performance loadings.
I think I'm gonna stick with the 200g Hornady XTP for a bullet. I have been loading Blue dot and 800X and recie fly was turned on the Longshot powder. So far I have some good loads approaching 1300 with these components but need to go a bit fartherer.
I ah e been hand gun hunting on and off for twenty years taking mostly deer and hogs with contenders, my Colt Whitetailer and a 1911. Also allot of woodchucks and couple coyotes with 22 hornets and 223's. All w/100% hand loads.
Any suggestions or stories would be appreciated.
CW
I so wanted to be able to take a deer with my 10mm guns but down here in Southeast Louisiana/Mississippi, has been tuff. The ones I was able to take were in the latter muzzle loader seasons of Jan-Feb...of those 3 of the 4 could have made some good pistol shots. So no shots were presented during the regular gun season.
I did manage to take a buck with my S&W mod 29 44mag iron sights @ 180 yds. I miss a doe one year that anticapated & jumped the shot with a 357 mag, that's was a spooky one!
Still trying though!
Haven't made that decision yet. For Whitetail deer my choice would be lighter than 200gr. Probably a 155gr or 165gr JHP of some sort. Even 135gr Noslers have proven effective on Whitetails, though a tad light for my tastes.
The last 3 years, I used a 6" Lone Wolf Barrel, and my load was, using a 200 grain hardcast, on top of 8.2 grains of Longshot. I achieved 1250 fps with this setup. Last winter I sold the LW tactical length slide, and 6" barrel, and recently purchased the LW tactical length barrel to just drop in my 3rd Gen G20. The accuracy is splendid, but have not chronographed as of yet, but am confident this setup will do nicely. I have recently picked up some 180 hardcast that I plan on using in the future. One of these days I'm going to make my own bullets, and want the bullet molds to have as much versatility as possible. If the 180's run in both the 10, and 40 well that's the route I'll take with a mold. Don't care for 200 grain in the 40.
I like heavy for caliber bullets. The only reason to avoia heavy jacketed slug would be if expantion was compromised. It is not in this case. The 200's are built to reliably preform down to mid 800 vel range. (XTP anyway) so my launching them at 1300 +~- will not make expantion a issue.
With lighter slugs OVER expantion is quite a realistic proposition. Forget the 135's on big game. Even a 155 from a top loading and my longer barrel could come appart. I require thru and thru penetration with expantion. (That's why I don't just shoot a hard cast )
I do like hard sat for hunting, but prefer a WFN style and these just are not a good option in a semi.
I agree a good cast slug of good hunting profile would or could be made to work well. I just prefer a jacketed projectile for this gun.
Thanks for the comments! Keep them coming!!! ;)
CW
I don't "hunt" per se. I do carry a 10mm for woods defense in the lower Rockies. I like a 200 gr hard cast loaded hot. I am more interested in deep penetration than any expansion in these cases.
If I were to start hunting, it would probably be for Mulies here or white tail back on the family farm in the midwest. In either case I would likely use the same bullet, but would cast it air-cooled with a BHN of about 10-11 after I boosted the tin content. This should expand well while retaining weight and penetrating well.
Nothing like a day out hunting. Even for waskly rabbits. Though if using 10mm 135gr at +1600fps on the bunnies I highly recommend head shots. :D
I gotta say, for varminting with your 10mm handgun, look to a 9X25 barrel and light bullets. Flat shooting making those longer shots very easy.
I live in SW WY and use underwood's 200gr. XTP. I feel comfortable with that load, and plan to hunt whitetails in the midwest(my folk's place) this fall/winter.
200gr XTP over a still charge of Longshot, 800X or Blue Dot will (and has) worked great for me. I'll be using a hardcast WFN handload THIS season, however.
I'm gonna give 200gr Nolser HPs a try this year. With such a heavy bullet, I should be able to load them pretty hot ans still be in the sweet spot for expansion
I'll be very curious to hear how they perform. And what velocity you set them up at. They haven't been out for that long and there generally doesn't seem to be a lot of talk about them. Seems they have a hard time peaking out from behind the shadow of the 200gr XTP. Another thing I've specifically wondered about the 200gr Nosler bullets is, depending on velocity and media fired into of course, how well they expand compared to the 200gr XTP. Anyway, I suspect any info you share on them will be well appreciated. Glad you're giving them a try.
The XTP is a tough act to follow. A good report on the Nosler would be welcome news considering the price difference.
Quote from: sqlbullet on July 12 2012 09:08:14 AM MDT
The XTP is a tough act to follow. A good report on the Nosler would be welcome news considering the price difference.
Nosler pistol bullets have long eluded me.... Always either out of stock or store doesn't carry them....
I would like to try a box of 135's for coyotes!!! I can imagination them at close to 1600fps.... wow! LOL
I have yet to see the 200's... I do have a couple boxes of the 200 XTP's.
I just found a guy with a two cavity Lyman 200 TC mould. I also found that I don't have a .401 sizer... SO it s a Midway order for a sizer and pusher for the Lyman 450! The profile of this bullet is not what I really want, but the price is right and it will allow for cheaper shooting. Always a good thing!
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CW
Quote from: cwlongshot on July 16 2012 04:46:17 PM MDT
I just found a guy with a two cavity Lyman 200 TC mold. I also found that I don't have a .401 sizer... SO it s a Midway order for a sizer and pusher for the Lyman 450! The profile of this bullet is not what I really want, but the price is right and it will allow for cheaper shooting. Always a good thing!
CW
Yeah, that 200gr TC is a poor design for the 10mm, it takes up too much case capacity; a good 220gr design can easily have more case capacity than that 200 TC. Of course, you could have the top of the mold machined down, if the rear driving band is long enough. Don't know if you could get it down to a 180gr; .030" is worth about 10 grains in 10mm caliber.
Quote from: Yondering on July 16 2012 08:41:13 PM MDT
Quote from: cwlongshot on July 16 2012 04:46:17 PM MDT
I just found a guy with a two cavity Lyman 200 TC mold. I also found that I don't have a .401 sizer... SO it s a Midway order for a sizer and pusher for the Lyman 450! The profile of this bullet is not what I really want, but the price is right and it will allow for cheaper shooting. Always a good thing!
CW
Yeah, that 200gr TC is a poor design for the 10mm, it takes up too much case capacity; a good 220gr design can easily have more case capacity than that 200 TC. Of course, you could have the top of the mold machined down, if the rear driving band is long enough. Don't know if you could get it down to a 180gr; .030" is worth about 10 grains in 10mm caliber.
I agree, I grabbed it because of the price and the fact that I can still get some benifit with it. Ideally I would like a WFN GC bullet...
CW
Quote from: drew02a on July 11 2012 08:32:55 PM MDT
I'm gonna give 200gr Nolser HPs a try this year. With such a heavy bullet, I should be able to load them pretty hot ans still be in the sweet spot for expansion
I've not heard good things about the 200gr Noslers for "expansion" however they seem to be accurate. Let us know what your tests reveal!
Quote from: nickE10mm on July 17 2012 01:10:58 PM MDT
I've not heard good things about the 200gr Noslers for "expansion" however they seem to be accurate.
Because expanded diameters seem to run on the small side, or, they have issues with expanding at all?
The only load I've used on large game is Buffalo Bore 180gr. Gold Dots. I like them well enough. I speer would bump them up to 200gr. they would be perfect.
Here are 3 that I have recovered. Left to right. Coyote - Hog - Deer
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Quote from: justin10mm on August 16 2012 09:46:45 AM MDT
The only load I've used on large game is Buffalo Bore 180gr. Gold Dots. I like them well enough. I speer would bump them up to 200gr. they would be perfect.
Here are 3 that I have recovered. Left to right. Coyote - Hog - Deer
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Despite your success, those are some seriously overdriven bullets. By a LOT. The bullets weren't designed to do what they're doing, and they show it. It wouldn't be my choice, but whatever works for you....
No one is going to tell me that a bullet designed to kill roughly 200 pound humans can't work equally well killing 200 pound animals. I guess if the bullets I found came out looking picture perfect the animals would have been more deader. I think it speaks highly of the Gold Dot's toughness that they can handle being driven to 1300fps and still hold together in dense targets.
about 20 yards shot in the shoulder, bullet broke ribs going in and coming out, lodged in off side shoulder
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about 35 yards shot high in shoulder, bullet found just under skin on off side
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That's what I got, lets see what you got.
Apparently, you didn't actually read what I posted. I routinely "overdrive" bullets. I was using your pics as examples of overdriven bullets, with no (as in NO) dispute of your success. Dead is dead.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. ;)
I don't see that they were "overdriven". They did not fragment on impact, there was no core-jacket separation. They retained sufficient weight (ballistic coefficient) to penetrate through the vitals. Am I missing something?
Quote from: justin10mm on August 17 2012 01:34:53 PM MDT
I guess we will have to agree to disagree. ;)
I don't see that they were "overdriven". They did not fragment on impact, there was no core-jacket separation. They retained sufficient weight (ballistic coefficient) to penetrate through the vitals. Am I missing something?
Nope, you are exactly correct.
I have also seen good things for the GOLD DOT line. The bonded bullet really hold together.
At first, I was concerned with the overly large HP in many of the bullets.
I loaded a couple of boxes of the 451 250G HP in my 45 Colt rifle loads. My buddies youngest boy needed a deer rifle and I made up this load with WW296 to about 1500 fps form a 20" Marlin barrel. This load put the smack down on 3-4 deer for the two seasons he used it. NO bullets recovered, shots where all under 75 yards and most under 35-40, so vel was up there!
My Buddie was so thrilled with the performance he bought a H&R 45 LC. (Cheapest 45 rifle he could find) I loaded the same bullets to almost 2000fps. I told him I did not want to do this, the bullet was designed for STD 45 Colt loadings. Thats 900 fps form a pistol... the loading he wanted was MORE that twice the velocity. I told him PLEASE PLEASE pick your shots and be ready for a second shot as shallow huge wounds where likely... Talk about "over driven bullets"!!! Don't you know this load is Thors hammer on deer shot broad side in the lungs... I personally watched him shoot one doe at about 60 yards.... Band FLOP... this doe was dead on her feet... which by the way where completely swept out from under her... She hit the ground and BOUNCED!!! No the bullet did not exit, but it penetrated to the off side pulverizing ribs on BOTH sides of the chest cavity.
Personally and generally speaking I do not like any HP bullet for big game hunting form a rifle barrel OR MOST pistol barrels. The XTP and not the GD are the acceptions!
For me the XTP will get the nod, mostly cause I have plenty of them and they are cheaper by allot than the GD bullets.
Thanks for the comments, keep them coming!!!
CW
One thing I see everyone kinda Leave out when looking at loads is the distance in which they intend to shoot the game. Bullet performnce really depends on velocity and pistols have bad habit of shedding that rather quickly at distance.
For hunting.
I limit my shooting to about 50 yards give or take 10 yards with my Glock model 20 it has a LW long slide and LW threaded 6" Barrel with compensator and has a Burris Fast Fire on this setup for hunting.
For CCW and SD (if I carry it for that really kind of rare i like my XDS and FNH 5.7x28 for that task)
If I carry just for hiking and or SD the standard slide and barrel with a Hornady 155 grain commercial ammo loaded with the XTP.
For Deer hunting.
I like the XTP it feeds well I get nice velocity with Longshot and Federal Large Mag pistol primers. But loads in the LW barrel will bulge to much in the standard barrel so my hand-loads are relegated to the tight chambers of the LW and 20lb recoil spring. I like the XTP performance holds it velocity well in the distances I am shooting and expands very nicely.
Quote from: Ramjet on September 10 2012 02:01:44 PM MDT
One thing I see everyone kinda Leave out when looking at loads is the distance in which they intend to shoot the game. Bullet performnce really depends on velocity and pistols have bad habit of shedding that rather quickly at distance.
That's a good point. At 100yds a 180gr XTP from a 10mm Auto that started out at 1300fps is, for all practical purposes, equal to 40S&W with the same bullet at point blank range, in terms of what it would take to equal the bullet performance from the two. There is a fair difference when comparing both at a same distance of say 30 yards, and the differences that would be expected between both terminal performance and bullet upset (expansion, penetration depth, retained weight,...).
Gold dots are an excellent SD round and bullet high Velocity and no over penetration. I have used them on Deer form Model 722 44 mag rifle at 50 yards pretty high velocity and they did the job very well deer=DFC.
Based on the above in those cases they performed well. Bullet placement with anything is key and practice allows one to achieve that goal.
I'm still working on my max load with a 200g XTP, 175 Silver tip and Longshot powder ...
Accuracy is same, so far just fine.
ZERO pressure signs so far... Next trip with Chrono.
CW
Quote from: cwlongshot on September 20 2012 05:49:26 PM MDT
I'm still working on my max load with a 200g XTP, 175 Silver tip and Longshot powder ...
Accuracy is same, so far just fine.
ZERO pressure signs so far... Next trip with Chrono.
CW
Sweet!
Well shooting compatitions on the rifle ranges have put a damper on my range time at 50 yards with the glock... Ranges are close and shooting on one cannot happen when men are working the pits out at 200 yards...
I am able to shoot to test my loads for pressure, BUT accuracy and chrono are out.... >:( >:(
Good thing is I'm still haveing ZERO pressure signs and only just now getting the glock primers!!
CW
Dang blasted rifle ranges. That sucks. Oh well.
What do you mean by "glock primers"?
Finally got a max load worked up using 200gr Nosler JHP, 11gr Blue Dot, 1.26" OAL, CCI Standard Large Pistol Primers, and 3/4 crimp. Did an identical load with a full 1 turn crimp, and the primers were coming out flattened. Now I just need to get my hands on a chrono to see what kind of velocity it's pushing out of the 6.5" barrel.
Definitely curious what velocity you're getting.
Quote from: drew02a on November 25 2012 08:32:38 PM MST
Finally got a max load worked up using 200gr Nosler JHP, 11gr Blue Dot, 1.26" OAL, CCI Standard Large Pistol Primers, and 3/4 crimp. Did an identical load with a full 1 turn crimp, and the primers were coming out flattened. Now I just need to get my hands on a chrono to see what kind of velocity it's pushing out of the 6.5" barrel.
Max is right. I don't think I'd try it in a stock Glock, or other unsupported chamber. I shoot 210 gr. JFP load from my Blackhawk with 6.5" barrel. Goes 1305-1340 FPS, depending on conditions. When I worked up the load, specific for use only in the BH and rifles, I settled at 11 gr. and 1.275" C.O.L (powder capacity is similar to a 200 gr. HP at 1.260"), with CCI 350. 11.5+ made for difficult extraction and lengthened the cases. Also, charge stack compression was about 115% at 11.5 gr. Very healthy recoil, ragged-hole accurate at 25 yds, and within a couple inches at 50 yds (factory Ruger POS sights).
I've only been firing it from my Lonewolf barrel. No case buldges
And it is accurate as hell
my Glock 20 w/ 6" KKM barrel shoots the Underwood Ammo 200 XTP at 1,350 fps 8) (chronographed)....kinda hard for me to beat that.
I"ve been loading 200 xtp over AA #7...but I have Blue Dot...any suggestions on which is better?
Both are good, but Blue Dot will push a 200gr a bit faster than AA7. AA9 would also be a better choice.
Here's a video shooting a pumpkin with one of my nuclear loads with the 200gr Nosler JHP. Not happy with the recovered projectile. Gonna do some more testing, but I'll most likely be switching to Hornadt XPT
The pumpkin never had a chance. :D Did you by chance chronograph that 200gr Nosler bullet load?
Also, any chance you could get a weight in grains on the recovered bullet jacket? I'm just wondering what amount of lead (by weight in grains) may have still been in tact.
Haven't had a chance to crono that load. Really want to though. I have a feeling, at that close distance, the projective is going a little faster than Nosler recommends :)
Tossed the jacket, so no way to get a weight. I've been thinking of doing some more experimenting to try and recover all of the bullet fragments.
200 grain XTP out of my 6" KKM chrono @ 1350fps. Hard to believe that aint enough!
Thanks for the email. I have used different ammo from COR-BON, Federal, DoubleTap & Hornady. I've shot a lot of hogs, deer, goats and an elk with my 10mm and I have been impressed with these brands. However, I'm going to go to the range with some of my favorite ammo, shoot and see which performs best for my Dan Wesson 10mm and stick to one brand. Of course bullet is a major decision. I've used solids for special protective situations like when in bear country. When it was legal to take a handgun (semi-auto) to South Africa, I packed the 200 grain solids. I use 200 grain hp for elk. I've shot deer with 200 grain hp, but have found that 155-180 hp is more effective. I almost alwasy get pass throughs with the 10mm. Hope this helps. Thanks again for the email.
-Razor dobbs
Quote from: macc283 on December 22 2012 08:51:56 PM MSTI've shot deer with 200 grain hp, but have found that 155-180 hp is more effective.
I agree. For some reason there seems to be a majority out there that can't understand that being possible.
Quote from: REDLINE on October 02 2012 06:40:13 PM MDT
Dang blasted rifle ranges. That sucks. Oh well.
What do you mean by "glock primers"?
Sorry man, I musta missed your question...
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A case fired form a Glock is pretty obvious as the pin in like a slit more than a dimple... Thats what I call a glock primer. ;)
CW
Thanks for the clarification cwlongshot. I kinda suspected but hadn't seen the specific terminology thrown around before and wanted to be sure in case I was missing something.
Let me tell you I can verify that the Buffalo Bore 155 Barnes all copper is a deer killer when used at proper pistol ranges. It will shoot thru if you get one broadside and it will lodge on the opposite side in the hide quartering to or away. All these shots are out to 60 yards. Thing I like about Barnes is it unfolds to about twice or better in size a perfect muchroom and does not come apart. If I handloaded I would use a little heavier bullet maybe if I did not have to give up the speed. Barnes bullets and I have hunted all over North America so it was just natural to use it when I switched everything to 10mm. 10mm The almost perfect caliber and power that only a handful of us love.
Quote from: RRMan03 on March 16 2013 07:51:52 AM MDT
Let me tell you I can verify that the Buffalo Bore 155 Barnes all copper is a deer killer when used at proper pistol ranges. It will shoot thru if you get one broadside and it will lodge on the opposite side in the hide quartering to or away. All these shots are out to 60 yards. Thing I like about Barnes is it unfolds to about twice or better in size a perfect muchroom and does not come apart. If I handloaded I would use a little heavier bullet maybe if I did not have to give up the speed. Barnes bullets and I have hunted all over North America so it was just natural to use it when I switched everything to 10mm. 10mm The almost perfect caliber and power that only a handful of us love.
The 155's do well, but they have to go fast. I load mine at 1500 FPS from my 5.2" bbl. My son's .40 S&W doesn't come close, but his Mech Tec .40 does about 1400 FPS, which is about minimum for medium game at any distance. Buffalo Bore advertises the 155 at 1500 FPS, but only 1400 FPS from a 4.6" stock Glock 20. Faster or heavier would be a better option, but the unleaded requirement limits the options.
I am working up a load using Nosler 200gr. I should get some loaded up by this weekend. I am going to load them at;
10gr Blue Dot
Starline cases
CCI Magnum Large Pistol Primer
The only reason I am using magnum primers is because I absolutely can't find any large pistol primers and I found 1000 LPM primers in an ammo can I had squirreled away and forgot about.
I will chrono and water jug.
I have been shootihg 10.5 grains under the Hornady 200XTP's for years, COAL 1.2550" CCI 350 @ 1200 fps from my S&W 1006 5" very accurate hard hitting rounds.
10.5 of Blue Dot?
Quote from: Clarinath on May 07 2013 07:54:59 PM MDT
I am working up a load using Nosler 200gr.
I will chrono and water jug.
Excited to see the results.
Got them loaded up.
10 rounds of Nosler 180gr JHP over 11gr of Blue Dot in Starline Brass with CCI Mag Large Pistol primers
5 rounds of Nosler 200gr JHP over 10gr of Blue Dot in Starline Brass with CCI Mag Large Pistol primers
5 rounds of Nosler 200gr JHP over 10.5gr of Blue Dot in Starline Brass with CCI Mag Large Pistol primers
Now I just need 12 milk jugs
Just so you know...When I tested my XTP's with 10.5 of BD @ 1200 fps into 4 gallon jugs, the bullet did exit the back side to lay on the berm or into the berm about 1 1/2". :o
DAMNIT!!!!!!
Now I need 18 milk jugs???? We have bag milk here!!! OK, some people like bag milk. Myself included, but mom is a hoarder I will go visit her tomorrow.
Can you refill the bags That might be very awesome.
Did a few shots today.
Gun
EAA Witness 10mm, 6" bbl, 22 lb recoil spring
The cartridge
200gr Nosler JHP, Starline brass, CCI Magnum Pistol Primers, 10.5 gr of Blue Dot
The bullets did not fare well at those speeds. I shot the first through 2 gallon jugs, then 2 gallon laundry detergent jugs and they ended up in a final gallon milk jug. The second shot was through 2 one gallon laundry detergent jugs and two milk jugs.
Chono was 1310, 1288 and I fired a third bullet for speed, not at a target and it was 1303
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Wow those really are not a tough bullet, I know water is hard on the bullet but they showed it. I am surprised by the velocity of the extra 1" of barrel made. Some Nosler bullets I've measured show smaller diameters i.e. 0.3995"
How did your primers and cases look after firing?
What was your opinion with that Blue Dot loading?
I saw 1200-1225 fps from my S&W 5" with the XTP's.
The cases were absolutely fine, no pressure signs anywhere. The primers were flush and I seat them below flush so there was a little push back but no flattening. The firing pin strike was deep and the firing pin drag was pronounced but nothing I am worried about.
Recoil was negligible, not bad at all.
Even though the bullets fragmented I think they will still be ok for hunting. When I can get XTP bullets again I will load them over the Nosler. I think the Nosler is just fine though.
HINT- When shooting water jugs make sure you are far enough back when you shoot. My youngest son fell down laughing when the first jug exploded and sent almost all of its water back in my face. Entire upper body was drenched. I was about ten feet from the jug.
As for Blue Dot, I like the velocities and the volume of fill. I will start working on accuracy soon.
I bought the Noslers as well when they were the only thing I could find in stock. They aren't my first choice but I loaded them up with some N105 and some extra brass and federal primers I had laying around. I feel confident they will do the job for whatever I need them to do in an emergency just in case this ammo shortage lasts for a while. Dead is dead in my opinion. I'd prefer 175 gr Silvertips and thankfully won an auction on a bag of 100 of them on gunbroker the other day.
Was the price reasonable?
Quote from: Clarinath on May 12 2013 03:54:35 PM MDT
Was the price reasonable?
For the silvertips? It was reasonable enough to pay for it, but more than I wanted to pay. With shipping the cost was $50. I had been looking for them for months so I had reached the point where I probably would have paid more. I was considering tearing apart some factory silvertips just to reuse the bullets in my own loads.
Quote from: Clarinath on May 12 2013 02:50:25 PM MDT
As for Blue Dot, I like the velocities and the volume of fill. I will start working on accuracy soon.
Thanks for the feed back...
Yes, Very accurate, Clean burning at these levels and pressure, case fill is such that you will avoid any double charges...Blue Dot is still my mainstay for many cartridges! 8)
Double charging was always a huge worry for me, so I try to stick to powders that will get as close to 100% as possible. It was one of the biggest reasons why I have stayed away from reloading pistols for as long as I have. Now that I got my feet wet with the 10mm I am going to load 44 magnum, 357 and 45.
Usually hard to double charge a 10mm with book loads. Almost all of them are at least 60-70% case capacity.
Much easier to double charge 38, 357 or 44. A couple grains of bullseye shoots great in those cartridges, but you could put 4 or five max charges of bullseye in a 357 case.
Quote from: Clarinath on May 12 2013 02:49:23 PM MDTEven though the bullets fragmented I think they will still be ok for hunting.
Certainly should work on deer. 135gr Noslers do and generally frag a whole lot more than that. Thanks for doing the testing and sharing the results! 8)
My fav is a mihec shallow hp 200gr hardcast. With 9.7gr 800x. Does 1375 out of my longslide.
nosler 200gr over 11gr of blue dot out of a 6.6 long slide LWD glock 2O
pic of ballistic testing
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Nice expansion and that is one good looking LS as well.
I have a few favs ... These are from my 6" Fusion longslide 1911
9.0gr LS under a 200gr XTP = 1325fps (do your own workup on this one)
9.3gr 800X under a 200gr XTP = 1275fps
8.2gr LS under a 200gr WFNGC = 1250fps
That last one could go higher but it's most accurate at 1250fps or less. Also, the last buck I killed with a 10mm was with the first listed load.
I have never hunted with a handgun exclusively, just always have had one with me when in the woods. I have used them many times for "finishing" shots on game, and in that use, I've always shot whatever right behind the ear. I like hard cast or FMJ loads for that. I have even used Magsafes in a .45 Commander on a vehicle crippled mule deer one Thanksgiving morning ( I was headed to Jackson Hole from SLC very early)...one shot behind the head and his eyes bugged out on stems!
I have handloaded for .45 Auto, .45 Colt, .38 Special/.357 Mags, but nerver handloaded for a 10mm, and don't want to fool with any plated bullets which is all I can find. I'm going to gather up the dies and such, and when this drought ends, start loading. For now, I use Underwood, Buffalo Bore, DoubleTap, and got some Littlestone coming. Oh yea, I like to use aftermarket barrels for hardcast, but I don't like the looks of the 6" sticking out, I feel fine with the standard length for my use.
I used my first G29SF on two freshly killed hog heads ( 3ft) with a LW barrel & 21# RS, the Double Tap 230 HC gave complete penetration and went deep into the dirt, which suited me as a woods load. I then used the Buffalo Bore 155 TAC-XP and recovered it under the skin on the far side, but the internal was mush, just shattered the skull! I would use either load hunting, though I lean toward hard cast in bear country. I am going to try some BB & UW 220 HC later on, which should work out even better than the 230 for 25 to 40yd shots if needed.
I just finished casting some Mihec 200 grain PB FP I am going to load them over 8.2 grains of Longshot . I will be using my LW Longslide hopefully the deer will cooperate next weekend.