Just saw that RMR bullets has some pulled 200 gr. 10mm GDHP bullets:
http://www.shop.rmrbullets.com/product.sc;jsessionid=0358BE11A58234EC0E54F838AB1E0B09.m1plqscsfapp05?productId=217&categoryId=1 (http://www.shop.rmrbullets.com/product.sc;jsessionid=0358BE11A58234EC0E54F838AB1E0B09.m1plqscsfapp05?productId=217&categoryId=1)
$180/1000 shipped.
A bit too rich for my blood considering they are pulled and have sealant on them. Did some quick research and it appears that the 200 GDHP in .40 is a bit of a unicorn... they didn't produce it for very long and information about the projectile is sparse. DocGKR didn't seem to think that it performed/would perform very well. Would be kind of cool to see how it does loaded to 10mm velocity.
I wish they had an option for 250 or 500.
Sean
I find it hard to believe. I'm tempted and think the price is fair, but.......I just don't know. I sure would like to know where they got the loaded 40S&W rounds to pull in the first place. I sure would like to see a gel test of them along side 200 XTP bullets.
I wonder how many they actually have available. I'll have to sleep on it. Feels like an April Fools type prank.
Redline, RMR is legitimate, don't worry about ordering from them. They are usually pull downs from contract overages, rejects, etc.
That price is around $35 higher per thousand than the pulled HST were that I bought which is why I think it is a bit high, especially with the black sealant. Plus, I knew the 180 HST was a good bullet. Not too much info available on these.
I know RMR is legit. You must understand that coming across 200gr Gold Dots makes Gold itself look as common as the gravel along the roadways.
As for HST; Federal has NEVER made them available to the public as a ammo handloading component, therefore there's no way to judge what they maybe should or shouldn't cost. In regard to 200gr Gold Dots (virtually nonexistent); the price being asked for them is cheaper than the .400 caliber Gold Dots commonly available which is why I commented on the price asked being fair.
Availability of HST bullets in general isn't a huge deal being that they are loaded in everyday ammo regardless that they aren't available as an individual load component. 200gr Gold Dots on the other hand may never be seen available ever again.
I just ordered some. When I get them I will make them available to anyone here who wants some.
Quote from: RMM on June 25 2013 09:28:52 AM MDT
I just ordered some. When I get them I will make them available to anyone here who wants some.
Thanks! Let me know when you get them as I might want to take some off your hands!
Ron
Would it be possible to get 10 or so for Raggedyman? I would like to see them in gel if possible.
I remember seeing some of these offered by Speer for the .40 some time back, it's tempting to get some and try out. But $180 is a little high for me. I'm wondering if it's essentially a longer version of the 180gr or if it has a shallower cavity like the 165gr or 155gr version. From the picture on the website, it looks like it might be a deeper cavity like the 180gr.
I just ordered some also. I guess we will have plenty around here. :o
I will run a few thru wetpack when I get them. 200gr GDHP at 1200fps.
Sean
Quote from: Intercooler on June 25 2013 10:20:42 AM MDT
Would it be possible to get 10 or so for Raggedyman? I would like to see them in gel if possible.
Yep. I (or someone else) will send some down in a little while.
Quote from: 45BBH on June 25 2013 10:42:13 AM MDT
I remember seeing some of these offered by Speer for the .40 some time back, it's tempting to get some and try out. But $180 is a little high for me. I'm wondering if it's essentially a longer version of the 180gr or if it has a shallower cavity like the 165gr or 155gr version. From the picture on the website, it looks like it might be a deeper cavity like the 180gr.
Quote from: rgold1963 on June 25 2013 09:47:45 AM MDT
Quote from: RMM on June 25 2013 09:28:52 AM MDT
I just ordered some. When I get them I will make them available to anyone here who wants some.
Thanks! Let me know when you get them as I might want to take some off your hands!
Ron
No problem. I will sell some to forum members for cost+shipping. I'm planning on selling some through other avenues at a slight markup but for you guys I sell at cost.
I would guess that they are relatively fragile and wouldnt stand up very well to 10mm velocity
I'll be watching for the hands on reviews. Like 45BBH, I too wonder how similar they do or don't look to a 180gr Gold Dot. Being it would seem they were designed solely for 40S&W, in 10mm @ 1200 or more FPS I expect they should blow open pretty good in wetpack or gel. Is 1" expansion out of the question? :-\
It looks like they are sold out! :o
I love the Gold Dot Bullet
But I just can't allow myself to carry Non Factory, PD / HD Rounds in my Daily Carry
Would like to get ahold of either Double Tap or Underwood Gold Dot Loads though
We'll just have to keep an eye out for them
Quote from: The_Shadow on June 25 2013 04:53:59 PM MDTIt looks like they are sold out! :o
I wonder how much stock they had to begin with. From the git go I couldn't imagine it being that much. Anyway, glad some 10mm-firearms members got their hands on some.
ATK loads the 200 grain Gold Dot in .40. It is a law enforcement only load, though I don't know of any agencies that are currently carrying it.
Here are the ballistics on it in .40:
http://le.atk.com/ammunition/speer/handgun/details.aspx?id=53883
I would like it see it loaded in a 10mm factory load at 1150 to 1200 fps.
I think .700" is possible.
The 200 gr XTP's went .500"+ in wetpack ,they peeled back to far.
Nosler 200gr HP expanded to .700" and stopped .
Sean
Quote from: REDLINE on June 25 2013 04:28:16 PM MDT
I'll be watching for the hands on reviews. Like 45BBH, I too wonder how similar they do or don't look to a 180gr Gold Dot. Being it would seem they were designed solely for 40S&W, in 10mm @ 1200 or more FPS I expect they should blow open pretty good in wetpack or gel. Is 1" expansion out of the question? :-\
And the noslers are readily available and rather inexpensive. That is why I keep them around.
It will be fun to find out. I do expect the Gold Dots will do better than .750". I guess we'll see.
Quote from: 475/480 on June 26 2013 06:05:53 AM MDT
I think .700" is possible.
The 200 gr XTP's went .500"+ in wetpack ,they peeled back to far.
Nosler 200gr HP expanded to .700" and stopped .
Sean
Quote from: REDLINE on June 25 2013 04:28:16 PM MDT
I'll be watching for the hands on reviews. Like 45BBH, I too wonder how similar they do or don't look to a 180gr Gold Dot. Being it would seem they were designed solely for 40S&W, in 10mm @ 1200 or more FPS I expect they should blow open pretty good in wetpack or gel. Is 1" expansion out of the question? :-\
I know its all speculation right now till someone puts it through some ballistic gel with 4 layers of denim.
But I believe this could be the cast meow at 1250 fps.
Looking forward to a report
Keep us informed please.
I would love to find a bunch of these for reloading. I would get a 1000.
Brian
Quote from: 445 supermag on June 26 2013 01:17:03 PM MDTBut I believe this could be the cast meow at 1250 fps.
I'm leaning that way too.
At one time Speer used to sell the 200gr Gold Dots IT was TMJ's as components and loadings were shown in the Speer #12 manual.
CORRECTION...The bullet shown in Speer #12 is the 200 grain TMJ (MY BAD!)
BTW the load with the most velocity in #12 was 14.0 grains of AA#9 using a CCI350 primer @ 1216 fps from a S&W1006 5"
For those who purchased the 200gr GDHP's what velocity and or loads would you be trying in your quest? ???
What velocity will you be looking for?
What make casing?
What powder?
What charge weight?
What primer?
What COL seating length?
Will these be based off of personal loads?, factory loads?, other?
Vel- 1200+/-
Case -Starline
Primer- WLP
Guns- Kimber and G20SF
Powders - AA7, 800X , Blue Dot
COL= 1.250" -1.260"
Personal loads based on Hor 200gr XTP and Nos 200gr hp's
I will shoot some loads into wetpack
Sean
Of course I will have to look at the bullet length and bearing surface vs. 200 gr. XTP but I'm trying for 1150-1200 FPS. Starline cases, 1.255-1.260 COAL, CCI LP primers, Longshot, AA#9, 800X. Charge weight? Reduce a bit from 200 XTP level and work back up. This bullet may end up performing better at 1050-1100 but we'll have to test to know for sure.
If Speer is still producing the 200gr GDHP bullets you would think that Underwood could do a bulk buy and provide them in 10mm cartridges or sell some as components. ???
With so many middle men in the selling process, it has driven up the prices, mostly because of shipping charges! :o
Given the current state of affairs, those who purchased these 200 GDHP's may well be a blessing in disguise! 8)
Has anyone heard any thing yet about their orders?
I know they have a two week before contacting them which will be Tuesday or Wednesday this coming week so I suppose someone is likely to see their package possibly! ???
Quote from: The_Shadow on June 30 2013 09:49:47 AM MDT
If Speer is still producing the 200gr GDHP bullets
Shadow,
They are still making them. I sent an e mail and they replied they are still making the 200 gdhp.
Just to let you know
Brian
Thanks, I figured that they were seeing them listed in their 40S&W Law Enforcement ammo lineup... ;)
Simply that they are listed as current production leaves many questions unanswered.
Like; Why?, and for what niche? We're talking about a 40S&W load that barely touches weak 9mm energy levels at a measly claimed 372 foot pounds from a 4" barrel. Why it over any common 180gr load that more than likely penetrates just as far or farther?
What does "still making them" mean, and who is insisting on them? Clearly for all practical purposes they are RARE!!! That leads me to suspect some relatively elite group with some "pull" is insisting on them for possibly a very specific niche. That's all I can come up with. In my estimation anything else makes less than no sense.
And why doesn't Speer offer the .400 caliber 200gr GDHP bullet as a handload component? I'ld bet an awful lot of money they would easily sell +100 times more to 10mm handloading enthusiasts than they do in loaded 40S&W ammo to what would seem to be some top secret group for no good reason.
Of interesting note, if they entirely designed that bullet for a claimed 915 FPS, and it expands well at that velocity, what's it gonna do at 1250 FPS? I have to think it's using a jacket about as thick as the 180gr GD short barrel bullet, if that.
I pretty much see its existence as strange at best. Not to mention, other than a few getting their hands on some recently, little to nothing is seems to be publically known about it other than a listing with a part number on a website.
They may actually be of thinner plated jackets than the current Speer 180gr GDHP's, but if they remain a bonded bullet they should do very well in various test media!
Seeing them as Pulled 40 ammo, what was out of spec? Was it the powder charge? (most likely as it could have been wrong powder or charge weight being off) because primers and bullets tend to be more uniform. ???
I posted earlier in this thread;
QuoteFor those who purchased the 200gr GDHP's what velocity and or loads would you be trying in your quest?
What velocity will you be looking for? 1240 fps
What make casing? Any casings, but probably use Winchester
What powder? Hodgdon LongShot
What charge weight? 9.4 grains
What primer? CCI 300 or Winchester LP
What COL seating length? 1.255"
Will these be based off of personal loads? yes , factory loads? SwampFox 1240 fps, other? yes
What I would use is added after the ? in Red or Purple
Quote from: The_Shadow on July 07 2013 02:15:50 PM MDTThey may actually be of thinner plated jackets than the current Speer 180gr GDHP's, but if they remain a bonded bullet they should do very well in various test media!
We'll see how they fare from those here that got their hands on some. Hard to say at this point with so many unknowns. What you listed for a load I think would be a good starting point in finding out. Hopefully from a 6" barrel too.
I am going to give speer a call this week and try to get some answers for me/us and will report back. I am going to make a list of questions and try to get to talk to some sort of expert on design of these bullets and see what he says.
I will report back on this page or a new thread so no one misses it.
Brian
Cool. 8) Very curious to find out what they have to say.
News on FaceBook...
QuoteRocky Mountain Reloading
8 hours ago
For those of you who are sick of waiting the two weeks before we ship, you will be glad to hear that I too am kinda getting frustrated with it. SO, I have now approved unlimited overtime for our employees until we get caught up. That said, we are still WAY slammed so please be patient. It is still going to take us some time to get caught up.
Quote from: The_Shadow on July 08 2013 07:49:16 PM MDT
News on FaceBook...
QuoteRocky Mountain Reloading
8 hours ago
For those of you who are sick of waiting the two weeks before we ship, you will be glad to hear that I too am kinda getting frustrated with it. SO, I have now approved unlimited overtime for our employees until we get caught up. That said, we are still WAY slammed so please be patient. It is still going to take us some time to get caught up.
Excuse my ignorance but who are rocky mtn reloading?
Brian
They are the company who was selling the 40 cal 200 gr Gold Dot's which were pulled and being sold on their site.
http://www.shop.rmrbullets.com/ (http://www.shop.rmrbullets.com/)
The OP posted the link for those interested in the purchase of these while they were available... 8)
Shadow thanks for that info.
I wonder if there is any damage to the bullet that has been pulled and if it would affect accuracy?
But I called and tried to get to a tech person who would know all the ins and outs of their GD line but ended up leaving a somewhat long message and NO reply yet.
Maybe I scared them off LOL :))
Brian
Brian, they are currently sold out for now on the 200gr Gold Dots... these were pulled from 40 S&W law enforcement ammo line.
The bullet may show some slight marks for being pulled and may show a slight crimp line. I don't think that these minor markings will affect accuracy or performance. 8) They should load and shoot well if they were not damaged in the pulling process. ???
SHadow I didn't put that right in my last message. I meant I called SPEER about their 200 Gr GDHP to find some info on them.
But will see maybe I will get a call back SOMEDAY from SPEER
Brian
I got the 200 GDHPs this afternoon. They have a very deep HP cavity and are a wee bit longer than 200 XTP because of it.
The black sealant cleans off very easily with paint thinner; I tumbled the bullets for about two minutes with about 1 oz. of paint thinner in the media and they came out clean. The base is beveled vs. the flat XTP base.
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They look good enough to be used. It will be interesting to see if the petals shear off at the crimp line cuts... ??? :-\
I really think they will be fine even though the crimp lines cut in to the plating as shown. :)
Quote from: The_Shadow on July 12 2013 04:36:08 PM MDT
They look good enough to be used. It will be interesting to see if the petals shear off at the crimp line cuts... ??? :-\
I really think they will be fine even though the crimp lines cut in to the plating as shown. :)
I'm planning on launching some into some 2 liter bottles/milk jugs soon. In my experience if a bullet will fail due to overexpansion/weakness, this will make it fail.
Going to work up some loads using AA#9, 800x, and Longshot. 1150-1200 out of the factory bbl is the goal.
You know now that I look at them even closer that may not be a crimp line? ??? I am leaning toward the tool marks of the equipment used to pull the bullets...OUCH! :o
Mine came today also. It will be a few weeks before I can shoot them into wetpack but reloading and chrony work will begin next weekend.
Sean
Shadow, that 9.4 Longshot load looks crazy! I'm a little bit nervous about even loading 9.0 under a 200 grain bullet. I'm going to start at something more like 8.2.
I hear you, but 9.4 gr LongShot is what SwampFox & I also load under the Hornady 200XTP which is 0.6820" at 1240 fps. It will be interesting to see what they will do. So please keep us posted.
I think those 200 GD's are right at 0.698" - 0.700" with a beveled edge.
(BTW-I don't think the original 200 GD's had a beveled edge and had a flat base)
Here are my measurements:
200 XTP 0.678"
200 GD 0.697"
180 HST 0.641"
It is hard to judge but just by eyeballing I think that the XTP and GD have similar bearing surface area. The two are similar but it seems like the extra space displaced by the larger HP cavity of the GD vs the XTP is about equal to the beveled portion of the bullet. I have no idea, however, what the frictional difference is in the thick plated Gold Dot and jacketed XTP.
Look like some crimp lines but who knows.
But I am looking forward to you guys reports
Brian
Not crimping marks. Definitely marks from the puller, probably a cam type, and a hurried operator. Or, perhaps an undersize collet (.357).
Quote from: DM1906 on July 15 2013 02:32:31 AM MDT
Not crimping marks. Definitely marks from the puller, probably a cam type, and a hurried operator. Or, perhaps an undersize collet (.357).
+1 definitely pull marks. They are much deeper than those left on the pulled HSTs I have, the jacket appears to be much harder on the HST. On the HST it did not affect expansion at all (see Raggedyman's video, almost 1" expansion no separation). I'm going to fire some into 2-liter bottles and see what happens.
I could not help but buy a one of a kind 10mm. Here is my recent talk to experts at Speer on 10mm GDHP 200 Grain
New LE ammo by ATK Web site has a 200 grain GDHP my search was futile? Can you tell me that Speer does manufacture a 200 grain GDHP in .400 DIA you absolutely positive they don
The depth of the 200 Grain cavity is the same depth as the 180 grain GDHP
George: the product was only sold in 2009, expect built on a work order for a
bid, total sold was ~ 50,000. Now Not Released for Production in our system.
Coy
-----Original Message-----
From: georgerome@cox.net [georgerome@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 5:02 PM
To: Experts, SpeerAmmo
Subject: RE: Speer-ammo.com - Ask Speer Ammo Form
Rome, did you purchase some of these bullets from RMR? ???
It has been a long time since Speer made the 200gr GDHP for handloaders if at all...They should be producing these for the 10mm Guys! >:(
CORRECTION...I just rechecked my data from Speer #12, the 200 grain the show is a TMJ data.
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j441/_The_Shadow/Speer1210mm3.jpg)
However this bullet has a sort of beveled base which were pulled from said to be 40S&W Law Enforcement ammo run.
Just a little history on the RMR Gold Dot HP in .40/10mm
From: Experts, SpeerAmmo <SpeerAmmo.Experts@ATK.COM>
Date: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:05 PM
To: georgerome@cox.net <georgerome@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Speer-ammo.com - Ask Speer Ammo Form
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George: the last and only sales of the product were in late 2009 from the
records I had pulled this morning. What is the Lot number, it will appear like
(J09Q24) and it will be on the corner wrap of the 1000 count case and on each
box.
Coy
-----Original Message-----
From: georgerome@cox.net [georgerome@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 2:46 PM
To: Experts, SpeerAmmo
Subject: RE: Speer-ammo.com - Ask Speer Ammo Form
They are from ATK. Recently pulled.
On Jul 16, 2013, at 6:48 AM, georgerome@cox.net wrote:
> You have received a contact request from a visitor to your storefront at
ttp://shop.RMRBULLETS.COM:
> I bought 2000 2000 grain GDHP are they from the 1990s or ATK this is what the
Speer Expert Replied?
I bought theses 2000 bullets pulled out of a 9000 bullet lot in excellent
condition after tumble them for a few hours. I am lucky than would you reload
them to 10mm specification? I have Starline & Double tap nickel plated brass
what would be your recommendations? I have a one of one of a kind that was never
released for production?
---- "Experts wrote:
> George: the Lot number will be on the corner-wrap on the case, looks like
"J23M24" what that number.
> Coy
>
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> Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2013 7:17 AM
> To: Experts, SpeerAmmo
> Subject: RE: Speer-ammo.com - Ask Speer Ammo Form
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> Can you check this product number its been made since 2008 ( 53883
200-gr 40 S&W Gold Dot HP)
> ---- "Experts wrote:
> > George: your search will be futile, we don't make or market a 200 gr Gold
Dot bullet, in 0.400" diameter, not sure we have since the very early 1990's.
We have a 200 gr TMJ in 0.400" which is only sold in our Blazer loaded
ammunition product part # 3597.
> >
> > Shoot Straight!
> > Coy Getman
> > 2299 Snake River Ave.
> > Lewiston, ID 83501
> > CCI/Speer Sr. Technical Coordinator
> > (866) 286-7436
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: georgerome@cox.net [georgerome@cox.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2013 8:34 PM
> > To: Experts, SpeerAmmo
> > Subject: Speer-ammo.com - Ask Speer Ammo Form
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> > George Rome
> > georgerome@cox.net
> > 21 Bonneville Drive
> > Hampton Virginia 23664 USA
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> >
> > Why can I not purchase or find .40/10mm Gold dot ammo or Bullets projectiles
that are 200 Grain speer gold dots in .40/10mm any where? Can we Purchase them
for frloading or factory ammo?
Rome. Welcome to the forum glad your came on board and thanks for the story on the bullets! ;D
I am going to run some loads thru the chronograph this weekend. I doubt there will be much of a difference in velocity between the 200 gr GD , 200 gr Nosler and 200 XTP but we will see ;D
Sean
What would be your absolute maximum loadings for 200 grain 10mm GDJHP (Long shot, Blue dot, X-800?) OAL 1.260 light crimp or no crimp at all CCI 350 mag Primers.
Using 10MM Starline brass or Double Tap nickel plated brass I going to work my way up? Any advice I would greatly appreciated. Gun used will be Glock 20 full size standard barrel & 6
Shadow can put his two sense in but I can tell you the chamber has allot to do with the load level. Tighter means higher pressures tolerable. I have found when I push the limit with the standard barrel the smilie starts to show. So I would approach by using the case head expansion method especially with the factory chamber.
I would cross referense the data at the top of this page, under my name and I will be using it and STOPPING at the same TOP loads. IMHO no reason to go too extreme, the loads I have used are very HOT.
Sean
Quote from: Rome on July 18 2013 03:12:55 AM MDT
What would be your absolute maximum loadings for 200 grain 10mm GDJHP (Long shot, Blue dot, X-800?) OAL 1.260 light crimp or no crimp at all CCI 350 mag Primers.
Using 10MM Starline brass or Double Tap nickel plated brass I going to work my way up? Any advice I would greatly appreciated. Gun used will be Glock 20 full size standard barrel & 6
Thanks for the information guys. I think your right Shadow, I am wilily to give some bullets away for free if someone tries these gold dots post some pictures of bullets & results no one is as smart of all of us put together. I am hoping the results will be better than the XTP 200 grain. Lots of 20 or 25 bullets just send me your address. To georgerome@cox.net
My gun range is so far away it would be an all-day affair for me. I cannot discharge a firearm in any local city near me unless it at an outdoor range.
Newbie Rome said 200 Grain GDHP were purchased from RMR Mr. . Wilcox said he only had 9000 for sale (in all is years this is the first he had ever ran across) & they came from ATK an expired lot they never sold in .40 Cal. the Speer expert said they were never release for production only a few thousand was sold out of 50,000 produced. This is an extremely rare find dessert gold said once the weather cools down he will try to make a UTube video He thank me for the heads up from the first listing on RMR that only lasted a few days. I feel very lucky, the price was a little steep but to have almost a one of a kind to me it was well worth it if it turns out to be what I expected if not it still a collector item to me. I purchased 2000 out of 9000 & willing to give some away for testing purposes.
The suspense is getting deeper. 8)
I posted some loads this morning for the Speer 200gr GDHP in the velocity comparison chart at the top of this page, Accuracy was good at 10 yards.
Sean
I also posted three loads in the same thread, unfortunately they are not as complete as I would have liked them to be.
I shot one at ~1200 FPS into 2-liter soda bottles, the bullet penetrated (blew out) three of them then nicked and bounced off the fourth. It was dark and I didn't recover the bullet but I emptied the bottles and there were no fragments which leads me to believe that the bullet held together.
Has anyone recovered a 200 grain GDHP I am very curious as to the penetration & depth & especially expansion. Is it better than 180? I will soon be switching over from 45apc in my Dillon 650 to 10mm. All my Ballistic gel has molded from Corbin. I have the ATF Officer coming Wednesday to give me final approval on my FFL6 licenses for manufacturing & selling some ammo on very small scale. I am hoping to to get some money back from the beginning of this year inventory & investments. I can only sell at gun shows & on line only In Virginia I will be 1 out of 54 that has a class FFL 6 but the BS I went through since applying back in April has taken this long. PS Showdow & Ron should get your bullets neXt week I get you a tracking number ASAP.
Any further testing in media where the bullet was recovered?
Quote from: REDLINE on July 28 2013 10:44:52 AM MDT
Any further testing in media where the bullet was recovered?
Unfortunately not yet, but I will probably get the chance next week. I was happy to see that the bullet didn't frag. FYI other bullets that I have tested in this format that fragged almost completely in the 2-liter bottles:
Fed. 9BPLE (tiny particles)
Underwood 115 +p+ (about a 40 grain meteorite remaining)
Underwood 147 +p+ (about a 60 grain meteorite remaining)
Although I didn't recover the bullet it did penetrate three full jugs and didn't leave behind any fragments. No clue as to how it will perform in the gel but it did expand and didn't fragment.
Not yet. I will try to shoot into wetpack this weekend or next for sure.
200gr GDHP at 1200+ fps . I will probably try a couple loads at 1150 fps also.
Sean
Quote from: Rome on July 27 2013 10:31:18 PM MDT
Has anyone recovered a 200 grain GDHP I am very curious as to the penetration & depth & especially expansion. Is it better than 180? I will soon be switching over from 45apc in my Dillon 650 to 10mm. All my Ballistic gel has molded from Corbin. I have the ATF Officer coming Wednesday to give me final approval on my FFL6 licenses for manufacturing & selling some ammo on very small scale. I am hoping to to get some money back from the beginning of this year inventory & investments. I can only sell at gun shows & on line only In Virginia I will be 1 out of 54 that has a class FFL 6 but the BS I went through since applying back in April has taken this long. PS Showdow & Ron should get your bullets neXt week I get you a tracking number ASAP.
Quote from: RMM on July 29 2013 11:03:35 AM MDT
Quote from: REDLINE on July 28 2013 10:44:52 AM MDT
Any further testing in media where the bullet was recovered?
Unfortunately not yet, but I will probably get the chance next week. I was happy to see that the bullet didn't frag. FYI other bullets that I have tested in this format that fragged almost completely in the 2-liter bottles:
Fed. 9BPLE (tiny particles)
Underwood 115 +p+ (about a 40 grain meteorite remaining)
Underwood 147 +p+ (about a 60 grain meteorite remaining)
Although I didn't recover the bullet it did penetrate three full jugs and didn't leave behind any fragments. No clue as to how it will perform in the gel but it did expand and didn't fragment.
Sounds great! It is mainly the water jug testing I'm most curious to see the results of.
Quote from: REDLINE on July 29 2013 12:37:36 PM MDT
Quote from: RMM on July 29 2013 11:03:35 AM MDT
Quote from: REDLINE on July 28 2013 10:44:52 AM MDT
Any further testing in media where the bullet was recovered?
Unfortunately not yet, but I will probably get the chance next week. I was happy to see that the bullet didn't frag. FYI other bullets that I have tested in this format that fragged almost completely in the 2-liter bottles:
Fed. 9BPLE (tiny particles)
Underwood 115 +p+ (about a 40 grain meteorite remaining)
Underwood 147 +p+ (about a 60 grain meteorite remaining)
Although I didn't recover the bullet it did penetrate three full jugs and didn't leave behind any fragments. No clue as to how it will perform in the gel but it did expand and didn't fragment.
Sounds great! It is mainly the water jug testing I'm most curious to see the results of.
I'll be doing that as well in a few weeks. Bullets won't be here until then. 4.6" (OEM), 5.2", 6.5" barrels, and a .40SW Mechtech, 800-1800 FPS. I have a continuous supply of square food-grade 5 gallon buckets, which are ideal for bullet capture.
I'll also be doing a half dozen other calibers then, including 9x25D (90 gr. XTP, 147 gr. JHP) . If you have any specific requests, I'll do it if I have them. I also want to do the .30-06 with a Norma 180 gr. SMBT, but I'll do it last if I have enough buckets left (guessing it'll take 8).
I expect the supply of square food-grade 5 gallon buckets would work very well. I look forward to your future results.
The package from George Rome arrived today. I sent him an e-mail and I'm waiting for him to call me to discuss a few things.
BTW I have some work ahead of me to get some testing done.
Dessert gold is going to test some pulled Ranger T series 180 grain I had good result with this bullets. He also has some 200 GDHP I know that he purchased but the dessert is to hot now for any testing. I won't get any done until fall so the suspense gets deeper for me. I am hoping we can reproduce & resurrect the full power Norma loads with higher technology powder. It's fishing season & I have not fixed my gas tanks in my boat this is the first seasoning 20 years I have let go without catching any 8 pound class flounder. I also missed the gun show this past weekend due to family members I had to take to the hospital this past weekend. I will be back strong this fall I hope!
Speer 200gr Gold Dot using LongShot 9.4 grains Remington 2 ½ primers COAL 1.250" Star Line brass (X several loadings)
Tested 8/16/2013 in the S&W1006 1265 fps / 710 ft lbs primer moderately flattened, raised dimple wiped, case stayed in chamber, pulled of the extractor due to pressure expansion (this may not have happened with new brass)...Expansion 0.4290" Brass shows high stress being expanded tightly to chamber wals.
This loading may require a recoil spring change from 22lbs to 24lbs to adjust slide timing for the impulse, I may test this out. ???
Needs more testing, but think 9.2 grains LS will be a better loading. 8)
Yesterday evening I attempted another water jug shot over the chrony. The Jugs are setting on a 5/4" by 6" board against a small berm, the bullet registered 1265 fps, but impacted right down the middle of the board. Missed the jugs altogether and could not find the projectile.
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Well this morning I went do a walk around my yard and this is what I found, the small piece was 10' to the right side in my garden and the bigger piece was about 25' to the left and beyond the impact and exit from the board.
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Three of the petals rolled back, two of which are folded against the base, the other petal exposed and still attached. One of the separated petals was found (13.5 grains) but two are missing... ??? Still looking ::)
This round expended almost all of its energy as it traversed the 5" of solid end grain of the board.
Someday I might actually be able to hit the water jugs! :o
Awesome that almost wanted I wanted to see! That is a lot of power dumped I bet It take your arm off. I like to see one recover in Ballistic Gel hoping to get .950 to over I" expansion! My hopes are looking better!
I not giving up on this bullet hey Original black talon SXT 200 Grain was rated at a weak 950-960 FPS but gave close to 16" of deep penetration
Tested one of the Speer 200 grain Gold Dots I had previously loaded to 1265 fps using 9.4 grains of LongShot.
Projectile penetrated 4 gallon water jugs but was stuck in the partial hole in the back of fourth gallon jug. One petal was in the third jug but the rest was in the 4th jug.
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Brass was a well used Winchester and shows a slight "smile" expansion at the smile is 0.4295" and 0.4285" on the sides.
Primer was moderately flattened.
This was the reason I backed off to 9.2 grains of LS, bringing the velocity down to the 1220-1230 fps range.
Thanks for the test. Those things look pretty serious. Did you include denim?