Got an email today from Tim Fusetti at Para-USA, the longslide will be in stores in "late August or early September". It does have a ramped barrel. Msrp $1249.00 for those that may want to know.
Glad they are stepping up to provide a 10mm platform 8)...I hope the chamber support is good?
??? Did they provide any specs? Magazine capacity? ???
#96666 - MSRP: $1,249.00
10 MM
6" Match-Grade Ramped Barrel
EGW HD Extractor
Oversized, Flared Ejection Port
Stainless Steel Frame & Slide
2-Dot Dovetail Rear, Green Fiber Optic Front
Beavertail Grip Safety
Adjustable Skeletonized Trigger
Ionbond PVD Slide & Frame
VZ Operator Machined Grips
Two 9-round Mags
http://www.para-usa.com/firearms/elite/hunter.php (http://www.para-usa.com/firearms/elite/hunter.php)
(http://www.para-usa.com/images/large/96666_elite_ls_hunter.png)
I haven't gotten into the 1911 style guns at all, closest is the S&W & the Bren Ten.
Certainly looks very nice. I actually didn't realize there was any other kind of auto pistol barrel other than ramped. Examples of non-ramped auto pistol barrels?
Always very pleased to see another 10mm choice, although I must say that in a 1911-type gun I'd stick with the EAA Hunter--although they really missed the boat with the goofy square trigger guard. Internally, the trigger however looks about as 1911 as it gets and of course you get your 15 rds. Not that I can imagine too many pistol hunters would see 15 rd capacity as anything but a heavier gun to carry.
Used to be no one could build a pistol without a hook on the trigger guard, now no one can build one without a tac' rail on the frame. :)
Thanks for getting that posted Shadow, they gave no further info that is not on the website. At least we have another one. I do not care for the front site although it is functional. I still hope the quality control has improved since the move to NC, they have had issues. I did see that they are looking for a quality control manager on the net. I am still curious about this gun though. I have never owned a Para so .......
The square trigger guard was for hunting. Put those thick gloves on and still room ;D
Quote from: Bongo Boy on June 06 2013 04:16:12 PM MDT
I actually didn't realize there was any other kind of auto pistol barrel other than ramped. Examples of non-ramped auto pistol barrels?
Delta Elite would be one, as are most 45 acp 1911's.
However this is just terminology. In point of fact all 1911 barrels do have a feed ramp. What is meant by a ramped barrel is actually a ramp-less frame.
(http://38super.net/Extra%20Figures/feed-ramps.jpg)
Always happy to see a new addition to the 10mm family.
Good looking piece. For me though, I see it as a sweet hunter or target shooter, but for self defense have no interest in limiting myself to 10 rounds or less (less in this case) per magazine in a full-sized platform. Even my G29 commonly has a fully loaded G20 magazine in it. Always pros and cons depending on intended use. Just one mans opinion. :D
Redline, you and I think alike. I do carry my G29 with the 10 rounder, but have a 15 rounder with me.
And of course my Para is 16+1 with a 17 round second mag with me. And that is my carry gun 90% of the time.
Another sub-10 round capacity 1911. When are these manufacturers going to figure out that you can in fact design a 1911 to hold 15 rounds of 10mm?? ???
Quote from: Grim Reaper on June 07 2013 06:44:20 PM MDT
Another sub-10 round capacity 1911. When are these manufacturers going to figure out that you can in fact design a 1911 to hold 15 rounds of 10mm?? ???
That right there has kept me away from the Delta Elite and other 1911's...I have been so close to getting an EAA and just couldn't pull the trigger on that deal! :-\
I really hope Para follows through with the other 10mm they prototyped... 5" doublestack 1911...
Quote from: s0nspark on June 07 2013 08:10:12 PM MDTI really hope Para follows through with the other 10mm they prototyped... 5" doublestack 1911...
I think they would do the 10mm fans a favor in doing so.
I also think they might have a hard time manufacturing enough to meet demand (a good thing).
Most excellent tutorial/photos, sqlbullet...thanks. Not something I've thought about much, clearly.
Yeah Wade, stop collecting those Smith's and git you the EAA, I don't think you'll be sorry. :)
However, there is a sweet Model 1086 over at gunbroker I don't think you have yet.
Quote from: Grim Reaper on June 07 2013 06:44:20 PM MDT
Another sub-10 round capacity 1911. When are these manufacturers going to figure out that you can in fact design a 1911 to hold 15 rounds of 10mm?? ???
Remember home state STI and the Perfect 10. 14+1 or 17+1 depending on the mag. you chose.
Yeah...My para with triple-K mags I get 17 + 1. Never under gunned.
The PARA Longslide started shipping last week, got mine yesterday. I have not had a chance to get inside of it yet or fire it, will do on Friday. The fit and finish are excellent though. Forged frame and slide, checkmate mags, and the front fiber optic sight is protected more than it looks in the stock photos which I like, I'm always breaking them. I'll post more in the function either Friday night or Monday night. This is my first Para of any kind and the first 1911 10mm that ive ever bought so it has a lot to live up too, we'll see...
Excellent!
Can you do an in-depth on it for us?
- Pictures ;)
- Full mag of Underwood 220's
- Full mag of Underwood 180's with post measurements of the brass expansion
- Picture of a round inserted into the barrel showing support
Thanks!
Pictures and a Range report are necessary and will be drooled on! 8)
I plan on all of the above. I have much ammo set aside just for this one, all of the Underwood lineup from 165 grn. and up and a small variety of others. I hope the 220's run well since this gun is for hunting.
Me too. Hopefully you are at that perfect mid-point in barrel slop that allows 220's easy travel.
Either you guys can't hit the broad side of a barn, you have size issues or most likely have brought a hand gun to a rifle situation. Otherwise carry extra magazines, and the flat single stacks don't bulge pockets on tight jeans either.
Quote from: Retired Squid on November 11 2013 05:34:52 AM MST
Either you guys can't hit the broad side of a barn, you have size issues or most likely have brought a hand gun to a rifle situation. Otherwise carry extra magazines, and the flat single stacks don't bulge pockets on tight jeans either.
;D RS, I think most folks are thinking that Para made their name by making hi-cap 1911's and many prefer guns that can perform double duty, hunting/defense. I too prefer the single stack grip and since this gun was made for hunting, mag capacity isn't an issue with me. I shot a little Friday and the Para digested three mags of Underwood 220's with no problems. I was not shooting for accuracy but the gun seemed to prefer the heavier bullets in my impromptu #10 can on a hay bale test. Gonna shoot some more later today when it warms up.
Very nice ... I remember doing several full reports on my Fusion longslide in the first year or ownership. I still own mine and will be the one pistol that goes with me to my grave. Good luck! Waiting for your reports....
Well I was actually just ragging them for fun of it, just as purest wheel gunners give the guys grief with more then 6 holes.
Fired upwards of 400 rds. Through the Para today. No failures of any kind. Was planning on accuracy test today but had company while firing, they helped watch my brass. It's throwing it over 10 yards away :o so I backed my truck where the brass would land in the bed. After an elevation adjustment I was getting 2 inch groups, offhand, at 20 yards with the 220 grain underwood. I fired 150 of those with no pressure signs worth mentioning. Case expansion was .008. There was noticeable extractor scoring on the brass but no damage.
McQuade sent me this picture to post here...
(http://i1086.photobucket.com/albums/j441/_The_Shadow/Parabarrel_zpsf8387c7d.jpg)
Yea, that's quite a grab mark ....
Does the Para have a flat bottomed firing pin stop? What recoil spring weight do they ship it with? I'm wondering about if that ammo has the Para's slide opening a bit early...
Hey that round didn't even fire, the damage was from a previous round or was it damaged prior to putting it in the gun? ???
Quote from: The_Shadow on November 11 2013 03:54:26 PM MST
Hey that round didn't even fire, the damage was from a previous round or was it damaged prior to putting it in the gun? ???
Hmmm... duh, you're right Shadow....
I wonder, then, if the round popped out of the mag during the slide cycle, jumping ahead of the extractor.... and then having the extractor snapping OVER the rim of the round?
Quote from: nickE10mm on November 11 2013 03:33:45 PM MST
Yea, that's quite a grab mark ....
Does the Para have a flat bottomed firing pin stop? What recoil spring weight do they ship it with? I'm wondering about if that ammo has the Para's slide opening a bit early...
LMAO, that's not a grab mark, I guess the sun hit it wrong and I'm just working with a cell phone here. Somebody had requested a pic showing chamber support. When I read your post I looked at the photo and busted out laughing, it looks bad. I only had a little scoring (2 scratches) no damage like what the photo looks to be. I have to idea what the spring weight is but it feels strong. I have asked Travis Tomasie and he's gonna find out for me. I'll check the FP stop, I haven't paid any attention to it. That was a fresh round I stuck in the barrel after getting her cleaned up.
Quote from: MCQUADE on November 11 2013 03:57:28 PM MST
Quote from: nickE10mm on November 11 2013 03:33:45 PM MST
Yea, that's quite a grab mark ....
Does the Para have a flat bottomed firing pin stop? What recoil spring weight do they ship it with? I'm wondering about if that ammo has the Para's slide opening a bit early...
LMAO, that's not a grab mark, I guess the sun hit it wrong and I'm just working with a cell phone here. Somebody had requested a pic showing chamber support. When I read your post I looked at the photo and busted out laughing, it looks bad. I only had a little scoring (2 scratches) no damage like what the photo looks to be. I have to idea what the spring weight is but it feels strong. I have asked Travis Tomasie and he's gonna find out for me. I'll check the FP stop, I haven't paid any attention to it. That was a fresh round I stuck in the barrel after getting her cleaned up.
LOL.... I just had a good chuckle myself because when I FIRST saw this post on my CELL PHONE email client, the picture looked like you had a case web blowout.... Good think I held my tongue until I could inspect it on a computer screen. LOL!
Well after reading McQuade's post after I posted the picture (my niece was yanking on my shirt to go make her a fire to roast marshmallows) and again another follow up, this statement seems to not apply... ???
QuoteIt looks like the brass was damaged prior to being loaded or finished loaded. It could have snagged in the Camdex loader while being advanced, tearing a hole in the casing.
If it was done by the Para it would have caused a stoppage, stovepipe/trapping or jam against the feed ramp?
Looks like a mechanic type damage! :-\
I bet Pera used a 16# spring maybe 18# at best, and even with 6" slides little bit extra weight it should have had 20# spring minium. Even the mighty Kimber TLE only comes with 18# recoil spring and was throwing the brass 25 feet with factory Remington 180g TC and about 30 with factory Win 175 Silvertips and my 180 PD/hunting hand loads went into next county I guess as I was never able to find them. I put the Kimber up till I got home and put a 20# recoil spring and EGW FPS in the gun.
I'm thinking 18 lbs. too, it just feels stronger to me 'cause its longer. It's chunking them shells 30 feet!!
Ok. I need the genius mathematicians here. Just got the "official" word from Para, the recoil spring is a "54 coil flat wire chrome silica, weight not quanitive". WTF? I might add that Travis Tomasie has been of the upmost help with this whole deal, he's a great guy! LASTLY, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE FOR THE CRAPPY PHOTO, it was ment to show chamber support only! My apologies to Shadow for asking him to post such a shoddy pic. He didn't know what the pic regarded. It was a case of me knowing what I was taking a pic of and the rest of you not. Again, my apologies.
Man it did look like that round was messed up! Had me wondering what the hell! as I studied it further. Hey it goes to show you sometimes things aren't what they seem! 8)
Prob means they are using a progressive spring.
Anyhow, my Fusion LS came with 20, 22 and 24lb springs. It works fine with all but I think the best weight is 20lb so that's what I leave in mine.
The support picture shows a good amount not supported. Better than a stock Delta but less support of the Kimber or Dan Wesson. The .008" is good slop for feeding!
Quote from: Retired Squid on November 11 2013 05:34:52 AM MST
Either you guys can't hit the broad side of a barn, you have size issues or most likely have brought a hand gun to a rifle situation.
What if it is all three?? o_O
I need a triple stack 10mm LOL
Play dead!!! (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x245/oldnavy6393/ROTFLMAO.gif)
Quote from: Retired Squid on November 12 2013 08:53:41 AM MST
Play dead!!! (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x245/oldnavy6393/ROTFLMAO.gif)
:-D
Well, I've passed the 800 rd. mark with no failures at all. Majority of ammo has been Underwood with a few assorted old Doubletaps, Winchester's, and weakish Remington's. Various bullet weights have been shot thus far from the Win. 175's and up. I've been having fun with thus one, perfect function and controllable. I'm going to settle down for some serious accuracy test the next few days but as of now it seems the Underwood 200 XTP is working best. I spoke with a factory rep about the weight of the recoil spring, they rate it at approx. 28lbs. The EGW extractor must be doing a hell of a job cause the brass from the Underwood loads is still going 30 feet. The one and only thing I do not like about this gun so far is the fit of the front sight. There is noticeable light in the dovetail but the sight is tight. It appears an aftermarket sight was used and does not fill the dovetail. It looks kinda "funky" but I can be of a perfectionist at times, especially on a $1000+ gun. Everything does function as it should though and I've got her cleaned up and de-leaded for some bullseyes and beer cans. More to come....
Somebody's havin' some fun! 8) Carry ON! ;)
Quote from: MCQUADE on November 19 2013 07:05:31 PM MSTI spoke with a factory rep about the weight of the recoil spring, they rate it at approx. 28lbs. The EGW extractor must be doing a hell of a job cause the brass from the Underwood loads is still going 30 feet.
I would bet the farm the "rep" misquoted the info on recoil spring weight or just took a WAG on weight. My Kimber stated in OM that it had 18# recoil spring (5" TLE/RL) and it would throw my PD hand loads 30+ feet. With 20# spring it drops those warm PD rounds 15 to 20 feet, and that's with EGW FP Stop installed. With the added weight of long slide I would bet they used a 16# spring. What a bunch of boobs at Para, my 45APC Para only had 14# installed from factory. I traded the Para off because I could not get used to the fat grips.
My extractor is stock.
Yeah, that 28 lb. thing surprised me too. The person whom asked the engineers was surprised too. It doesn't matter at this point because it works. This is the first Para of any kind that I've shot/bought and I'm quite happy thus far, though it may screw up tomorrow. I've heard all the bad press from a few years ago but it does appear that something has changed for the better, we'll see after a couple thousand more rounds. I'm not really a fan of 1911's in 10mm but my opinion is being swayed. I bugged them for a year to get this gun released, now I may bug them for a commander size with no rail ;D. I think they do have plans for a doublestack 10mm but they are redesigning all of their mags right now.
I am gonna bet the rep mis-spoke and meant a 28 lb mainspring, not recoil spring. I put a 24 in my 1911 for a while. VERY stiff action. I ended up with a 25 lb mainspring, FB FPS and an 18.5 lb recoil spring and a much smoother gun.
sqlbullet, I believe you are correct. The mainspring is probably 28 lbs. and I believe the recoil spring is 17-18 lbs. I took it to the 1911 Guru here in NC and confirmed it. I wanted him to give his opinion of the gun and check it out since I'm not a 1911 guy. He approved of it. I could go into all the test he done on it but hell, I don't know what he was doing half the time, but it passed to his satisfaction. Back to the range for some accuracy shots now.
Quote from: MCQUADE on November 23 2013 09:44:52 AM MST
sqlbullet, I believe you are correct. The mainspring is probably 28 lbs. and I believe the recoil spring is 17-18 lbs. I took it to the 1911 Guru here in NC and confirmed it. I wanted him to give his opinion of the gun and check it out since I'm not a 1911 guy. He approved of it. I could go into all the test he done on it but hell, I don't know what he was doing half the time, but it passed to his satisfaction. Back to the range for some accuracy shots now.
McQuade,
May I ask if that was 1911 tuner? If so, that is as about as good an endorsement as you can get for the 1911 L/S Para from a 1911 Guru.
Thanks for the information you gave me several weeks ago re a gunsmith for 3rd gen S & W autos. I found a local 'smith who was familiar w/ re-staking a side plate assembly. Laurinburg to Wagram is a lot better than Lbg. to Mont. Co.
Jim
Yep, it was 1911Tuner, he only lives 35 miles from me. It was a very interesting experience, in a very good way. The only thing I do not like about the gun is the front sight, the dovetail is too deep or the sight wasn't made to fill it. It is tight and is functional though and you really have to hold it up to the light to see it. Everything else has been great. I am really surprised, I figured I would have some feeding issues.
You are a lucky man to live so near one so well educated in the 1911.
Not really being a 1911 guy myself, I didn't know how widely he is known. I knew he had a good rep in NC via the local forum. He's a character. His first love is rescuing dogs, so you know he has a good heart and a super nice personality to boot, I enjoyed it and learned quite a bit in the few hours I was there. He even let me fondle his black Colt, vintage 1919.
Yeah...If John M Browning is the god of the 1911, then 1911Tuner is certainly the current prophet and high priest.
The bad weather finally broke and I got out for some accuracy tests today. First off, the Para shot the best with the Underwood 165 GDHP load. Sub 2" at 25 yds, but I got my first, and only, failure to feed. I ran through several mags with no further problems. I saved the culprit round and will measure it to see if it was the cause. The best I could muster out of the 220's was around 3" but I definately contributed to its negligence. I'm well past 1,000 rounds now and I'm pretty satisfied. If the weather holds out I will do more Sat. and Monday. I'm down to about 1500 assorted Underwood now but I'm having a "blast". On another note, the rear sight screws finally started working out so I had to put some loctite on them, I usually do that initially but I was curious as to how long it would take on this gun.