Besides the Smith 610 and the Ruger Blackhawk Buckeye Special convertible 38-40 and 10mm are there any other revolvers that were produced in 10mm? I am sure there are some customs out there but what about production?
S&W also has the 310 Night Guard
Oh yes forgot about it. Guess I had Single Action on the brain. And we all know thw pistols.
I can't think of another single action but I think Taurus had a DA several years ago, I don't know if it was ever released.
Pretty sure that covers it.
Hard to believe the market is that bad for a 10mm revolver. But the revolver market in general is not nowhere what it was 30 years ago either. I guess if you want a revolver in 10mm its a Smith 610 or 310 with moons. I see now that the 10mm was truly meant to be a pistol cartridge or someone would have tried to make a run at the revolver. I guess Smith did but it was at a time when all their revolvers took a beating in popularity. Now they seem to be making a slight comeback but the prices are about triple.
What surprises me is that anymore than about 1 revolver was ever chambered for 10mm Auto. It's simply not a "revolver cartridge" by design.
In my mind it's like asking why more semi-autos were not made for 357 Magnum. What is/was there?; Coonan, Desert Eagle,...is that it?
That was half the sales pitch for the 357SIG. Okay, maybe 95% not including the benefits of having it specifically designed to be chambered in semi-autos along certain lines of relevancy.
Cartridge case design generally dictates what the platform type the round will be chambered in, just like the difference in rifle cartridge case design for either lever actions or bolt actions. Obviously in a single shot platform it doesn't much matter.
I agree Redline. It would be like having a 454 in a Glock. Not very feasible but I would like to have one for the hell of it. Problem is what I and others want or like is not a good business model. You build what you can sell thousands of not 500 or 1000. Today there are some dying rounds that people do not even think about due to cost of ammo and lack of ammo. Today there may be more gun availibility than ammo.
454 glock....seriously. I want a 460 S&W magnum Glock!
For 'ol Skeeter Skeltons sake, make my Glock a 44 special with a case colored polymer frame.
Quote from: MCQUADE on May 29 2013 02:02:45 PM MDT
For 'ol Skeeter Skeltons sake, make my Glock a 44 special with a case colored polymer frame.
8)
Quote from: REDLINE on May 28 2013 06:39:53 PM MDT
What surprises me is that anymore than about 1 revolver was ever chambered for 10mm Auto. It's simply not a "revolver cartridge" by design.
In my mind it's like asking why more semi-autos were not made for 357 Magnum. What is/was there?; Coonan, Desert Eagle,...is that it?
That was half the sales pitch for the 357SIG. Okay, maybe 95% not including the benefits of having it specifically designed to be chambered in semi-autos along certain lines of relevancy.
Cartridge case design generally dictates what the platform type the round will be chambered in, just like the difference in rifle cartridge case design for either lever actions or bolt actions. Obviously in a single shot platform it doesn't much matter.
I can tell you one reason. About 30 some years ago the LGS had a Coonan .357 semi for sale. I put it in my small short fingered hand, and could not get them all the way around the grip. Same with a Grizzly LAR in .45 mag, and any Desert Eagle , .357 mag or larger. Otherwise I would have been that Coonan's new owner!
Heck I BARELY can get a good grip on my Taurus Raging Bull in .454 Casull! And that's a pistol you BETTER hold on to when you pull the trigger!
Quote from: REDLINE on May 28 2013 06:39:53 PM MDT
What surprises me is that anymore than about 1 revolver was ever chambered for 10mm Auto. It's simply not a "revolver cartridge" by design.
In my mind it's like asking why more semi-autos were not made for 357 Magnum. What is/was there?; Coonan, Desert Eagle,...is that it?
That was half the sales pitch for the 357SIG. Okay, maybe 95% not including the benefits of having it specifically designed to be chambered in semi-autos along certain lines of relevancy.
Cartridge case design generally dictates what the platform type the round will be chambered in, just like the difference in rifle cartridge case design for either lever actions or bolt actions. Obviously in a single shot platform it doesn't much matter.
Isn't that kinda like saying that the .45acp isn't a good Revolver Cartridge ?
I really love my Browning Belgian BLR in .308 win
Ruger has the 77/44 in 44 Mag
Also the Ruger No. 3
And you can buy the Thompson Center in just about any Round you can think of
So basically, I'd love anything chambered in 10mm, Pistol, Revolver, or Long Gun
Specially the 10mm Thompson 1927-A1
Or a 10mm version of the 1894 would be fun
Some many choices, not enough $$$$$$$
You need two...SA and DA.
And after a day of chasing brass on the range I really start to envy my cylindrical shooting buddies.
Quote from: sqlbullet on May 31 2013 10:52:01 AM MDT
You need two...SA and DA.
And after a day of chasing brass on the range I really start to envy my cylindrical shooting buddies.
I agree
I stuck fast to my Wheelguns until I got a Brass Catcher
Now we're good to go
99+% recovery every outing
Quote from: DenStinett on May 30 2013 11:08:37 PM MDTIsn't that kinda like saying that the .45acp isn't a good Revolver Cartridge ?
Yup. Doesn't mean it can't or doesn't work.
Quote from: REDLINE on June 01 2013 05:30:24 PM MDT
Yup. Doesn't mean it can't or doesn't work.
Yeah, ol' Jerry Miculek must know a little somethin' about it....what can I say
Quote from: REDLINE on June 01 2013 05:30:24 PM MDT
Quote from: DenStinett on May 30 2013 11:08:37 PM MDTIsn't that kinda like saying that the .45acp isn't a good Revolver Cartridge ?
Yup. Doesn't mean it can't or doesn't work.
Without moonclips?
Quote from: gandog56 on June 02 2013 06:30:58 PM MDT
Without moonclips?
Depends on the Wheelgun
Some do and some don't
Ruger .45acp and 9mm(s) are without
S&Ws are mostly with
Even if a DA wheelgun can be used without, you may have issues with ejection, or may not have ejection.
Still, for target work, or general skills work at the range, it is nice to not chase brass.
That's my bad
Not sure that the 9mm SP101 is Moon Clip Free
The two Rugers I was thinking of at the time were the Blackhawks
I forgot one...the Korth revolver, I believe they are still made but no longer offer a 10mm. American Handgunner did a write up on them in oct. 1990. Wow, seems like yesterday.
Quote from: sqlbullet on June 03 2013 10:51:05 AM MDT
Even if a DA wheelgun can be used without, you may have issues with ejection, or may not have ejection.
Still, for target work, or general skills work at the range, it is nice to not chase brass.
I've never heard of possible ejection problems with moonclip use. I know they would all have to eject at the same time.
Sorry if I wasn't clear...I was referring to wheelgun use without moon clips, for those that support it. Some plain don't eject, and the ones that do are hit and miss, hence the desire to always use moon or half moon clips.
No ejection issues with S/A (Ruger) revolvers. There are other options for rimless cartridges (without moon, or 1/2 moon clips), but none offered in 10mm or any modern cartridge. There is a way to "add a rim" to a rimless cartridge, if that's what you really want.
Quote from: DM1906 on June 05 2013 12:06:52 AM MDT
No ejection issues with S/A (Ruger) revolvers. There are other options for rimless cartridges (without moon, or 1/2 moon clips), but none offered in 10mm or any modern cartridge. There is a way to "add a rim" to a rimless cartridge, if that's what you really want.
I'm guessing that is not an option if you don't reload.
Quote from: gandog56 on June 07 2013 01:59:08 PM MDT
Quote from: DM1906 on June 05 2013 12:06:52 AM MDT
No ejection issues with S/A (Ruger) revolvers. There are other options for rimless cartridges (without moon, or 1/2 moon clips), but none offered in 10mm or any modern cartridge. There is a way to "add a rim" to a rimless cartridge, if that's what you really want.
I'm guessing that is not an option if you don't reload.
No, you don't have to reload. PM me if you want to do this, and have a "need to know". I'm working on a patent, and don't mind sharing the concept to serious shooters who will use it, but don't want it "public", just yet (don't want google all up in my business, if you know what I mean).
Well, I would have no objection to getting a 10mm revolver that didn't need moon clips, I just never have. Both my 10's are 1911's.
Moon clips have their advantage, and disadvantage, depending on need or want. Beneficial for a D/A revolver, irrelevant for a S/A revolver. Moon clips are, essentially, a speed loader with fewer moving parts, but they don't fit in a S/A revolver (in any practical fashion). Individual cartridges are required for S/A's, but slow to load into a D/A.
Quote from: DM1906 on June 08 2013 10:33:00 AM MDT
Moon clips have their advantage, and disadvantage, depending on need or want. Beneficial for a D/A revolver, irrelevant for a S/A revolver. Moon clips are, essentially, a speed loader with fewer moving parts, but they don't fit in a S/A revolver (in any practical fashion). Individual cartridges are required for S/A's, but slow to load into a D/A.
I never even used my speed loader for my Taurus .357 mag. Too much trouble.
Quote from: gandog56 on June 08 2013 04:56:27 PM MDT
Quote from: DM1906 on June 08 2013 10:33:00 AM MDT
Moon clips have their advantage, and disadvantage, depending on need or want. Beneficial for a D/A revolver, irrelevant for a S/A revolver. Moon clips are, essentially, a speed loader with fewer moving parts, but they don't fit in a S/A revolver (in any practical fashion). Individual cartridges are required for S/A's, but slow to load into a D/A.
I never even used my speed loader for my Taurus .357 mag. Too much trouble.
Practice, or you're better off without. Handling loose rounds in a gunfight will get you dead. Trying to manage a speedloader that doesn't work, will get you deader, quicker.
I don't use the magnum for self defense. Way too long to pull it easy out of a holster. And my smaller autos hold WAY more rounds. Probably biggest pistol I carry, and in winter months only, is my SIG P229.
You forgot at least one more "production gun" the Herters 401 Powermag. This is a true 10mm revolver in a rimmed magnum package. BH38WCf.
BH38WCf Definitely the ultimate in 10 mm Mag. Mine hits with extreme authority at 200+ yards and with great accuracy. Just not very concealable. :D
Quote from: blackhawk38wcf on September 21 2013 05:54:32 AM MDT
You forgot at least one more "production gun" the Herters 401 Powermag. This is a true 10mm revolver in a rimmed magnum package. BH38WCf.
I can imagine the nightmare of trying to find brass for that to reload.......... :-\
Quote from: gandog56 on September 23 2013 01:23:33 PM MDT
Quote from: blackhawk38wcf on September 21 2013 05:54:32 AM MDT
You forgot at least one more "production gun" the Herters 401 Powermag. This is a true 10mm revolver in a rimmed magnum package. BH38WCf.
I can imagine the nightmare of trying to find brass for that to reload.......... :-\
Not really. .41 Mag or .30-30 brass can be used. Trimming and resizing is required, though.
Quote from: gandog56 on September 23 2013 01:23:33 PM MDT
Quote from: blackhawk38wcf on September 21 2013 05:54:32 AM MDT
You forgot at least one more "production gun" the Herters 401 Powermag. This is a true 10mm revolver in a rimmed magnum package. BH38WCf.
I can imagine the nightmare of trying to find brass for that to reload.......... :-\
As DM1906 sez, making the brass from these cartridges is not too bad of an answer. Also, one can get loaded and empty cartridges from an outfit called Gads Cartridges (search it out). Finally, if one gets spare 401 or 357 mag cylinders for the Herters, it would be a simple matter for a custom gunsmith to rechamber these to 40 S&W, 10mm Auto, or 38 WCF (38-40) for the ultimate 10mm revolver. At least one of these rechamberings would solve your cartridge quandary (especially the 40 S&W selection). Oh yeah, I believe 41 Long Colt can be included here. There are technical issues regarding this cartridge (as it was originally sized at around 0.390" diameter) but later iterations included expandable base lead bullets (think Minie ball bullets) that would take up the extra slack. Imagine: one gun, multiple calibers: 401 PM, 40 S&W, 10mm Auto, 38 WCF, and 41 LC.
BH38WCF.
One more thing: I forgot about this little jewel. It can be had in different barrel lengths to include 6". I may have to save up for this one since the 610s seem to be near unobtanium: http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-shots/2012/01/chiappa-firearms-offers-rhino-revolver-40-smith-and-wesson
Is it my imagination? The cylinders look awful thin on that Chiappa 40... ???
Hard to tell. Not sure they are any thinner than the chamber walls on some of the 40 S&W autos out there that were based on 9mm platforms.
Quote from: blackhawk38wcf on September 24 2013 05:06:56 AM MDT
One more thing: I forgot about this little jewel. It can be had in different barrel lengths to include 6". I may have to save up for this one since the 610s seem to be near unobtanium: http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/gun-shots/2012/01/chiappa-firearms-offers-rhino-revolver-40-smith-and-wesson
Aw dude, I messed and and click on that. What I got was page after page of pop up ads.
Charter arms made revolvers in 40 &10mm. Bulldog is what they were called I think.
I knew charter made a .40, the pit bull, but I never saw a 10mm. I'll have to look into that. The old Charter .44 special bulldogs were good guns. I don't know about the "new" Charter arms guns, they seem a little "cheap" to me. As far as the Chiappa, well, I must be getting old 'cause that thing is uglier than a baboon's ass.
Quote from: sqlbullet on May 31 2013 10:52:01 AM MDT
You need two...SA and DA.
And after a day of chasing brass on the range I really start to envy my cylindrical shooting buddies.
Maybe, but you could regret it in a firefight. I'll keep the semi-autos, but wouldn't mind a revolver....as long as it did NOT require moon clips.
Quote from: MCQUADE on September 24 2013 07:24:54 PM MDT
I knew charter made a .40, the pit bull, but I never saw a 10mm. I'll have to look into that. The old Charter .44 special bulldogs were good guns. I don't know about the "new" Charter arms guns, they seem a little "cheap" to me. As far as the Chiappa, well, I must be getting old 'cause that thing is uglier than a baboon's ass.
:))
Anybody see the 401 powermag ammo on GB? 50 rounds with a buy-it-now of $285.00 :o
Quote from: MCQUADE on October 03 2013 12:28:41 PM MDT
Anybody see the 401 powermag ammo on GB? 50 rounds with a buy-it-now of $285.00 :o
Ehhhh, another reason to learn how to reload them.
I believe charter arms was doing thr 40S&W and the 9mm not 10mm. Cheers NM
Old thread but Korth made one for the FBI when they we're looking for more powerful guns right after the Miami shootout. It is now for sale
Quote from: pacecars on March 02 2015 05:43:50 PM MST
Old thread but Korth made one for the FBI when they we're looking for more powerful guns right after the Miami shootout. It is now for sale
For the low, low, price of just fifteen thousand dollars it could be yours today! Order now! ;D