How many on here do we have? If you have one post the last 4 of the serial number and how yours shoots and its favorite load. If its a reload post bullet,weight and fps. I am not asking for you secrets unless you want to give them in a PM. I do not reload so I have all my 38-40 loads made for me by a nice guy who agreed to do it for me from this forum. Instead of a 800-900 load I have a great hunting load or defensive load thanks to him and you know who you are.Also if you have this gun do you have its little brother in matching serial number? My gun is NIB and I hate to shoot it. I am thinking of looking for another one just like it already shot to use and keep this one untouched and buy its little brother with matching serial number.
Certainly do what you want, but I say shoot the one you got. I'm pretty sure it has almost no chance of ever becoming valueable enough to keep it in pristine investment condition. And with the affection you're already showing it I'm sure you will keep it cleaned up immaculately after each outing. Honestly IMO it would be a shame not to shoot it. Plus it would be a way better conversation piece out at the range than as a wall hanger or safe queen. That's my less than a pennies worth of an opinion.
I haven't had the chance to run much of anything thru mine yet. I bought mine just before you got yours, I got it in February. The last 4 are 3414. Outstanding shape, no box but came with a nice case, 2 boxes of unknown 38-40, a box of Winchester 38-40, and a box of the old lancer 10mm auto and a good price. When I give it a work out I will post results of accuracy, I ain't got no chrony.
Quote from: REDLINE on May 27 2013 12:23:42 AM MDT
Certainly do what you want, but I say shoot the one you got. I'm pretty sure it has almost no chance of ever becoming valueable enough to keep it in pristine investment condition. And with the affection you're already showing it I'm sure you will keep it cleaned up immaculately after each outing. Honestly IMO it would be a shame not to shoot it. Plus it would be a way better conversation piece out at the range than as a wall hanger or safe queen. That's my less than a pennies worth of an opinion.
NIB/unfired get about a $200 premium, and even more if they aren't turned. That more than doubles with the matching pair (matching serial numbers). I don't have any "safe queens", so that's the price I pay. Collector value means little to me, unless I use them for trade. I don't pay collector value for anything, because I know it won't have that once I get it. I shoot what I have, or turn it over for something I will shoot. I'm still looking for the matching .32 to mine, and I hope to find it shot, in good condition.
I bought mine, NIB and unturned. I hesitated to shoot it, which was about a minute.
DM1906 you know the deal. Mine is #2524 and the little brother is sitting there waiting as new. I was thinking of getting it with this one not at a collector price either and maybe trading them later for a new Ferrari after all the guns are gone and I have the only 2 NIB guns in the world. LOL. I would say it gets shot soon. I am not a collector I am a shooter but they are a pretty set. I just watched a set and printed it out from a big gun auction sell for 2500 both NIB.There were 7 bids on the guns.We are in such a crazy world of guns that the values are skewed to what someone is willing to pay for what you have.
Come on guys. Is this board this small or is there just that few Ruger revolvers in circulation in 38-40/10mm.I would have figure we would have had at least 10 by now and we have 3.
It's my understanding that the Buckeye Rugers were a limited production run for one distributor....how many made? I don't know, but probably not many compared to their normal production in other calibers. Somewhat rare, so therefore they bring a premium price in today's market.
Overall, SA revolvers are a small part of yearly gun production anyway. Yeah, I like SA revolvers and would like to have a Buckeye Ruger, but not at current average prices. Until I joined this site I'd never heard of the pistols. We have around 500 members here, so only three having them gives you some idea of the rarity, I'd think.
They certainly aren't common. And they usually go for way more than I want to pay on auction sites.
S/A revolvers are more of an acquired taste, rather than a following, in any caliber. Essentially, they are obsolete in today's SD circles. They are what they are.
5,000 each were made for Davidson's. I've "heard" it was 2500 each (for a total of 5,000), but the serial numbers would suggest otherwise. They started at xxx-000001 (saw a pic of this one), and I've seen and heard of SN's in the 4xxx range, including mine. Surely they didn't have 2500 culls.
They are certainly outclassed for defensive shooting by newer designs. Which is not to say that they can't be effective, just that other, newer designs are just as effective and more versatile.
But, it would be just the ticket for handgun hunting whitetail with 10mm on the family farm. In that state, no semi-auto handguns are allowed.
I just started to say. You show me that auto that at 200 yards will kill a deer or hit a paper plate and I am buying it.my Glocks are good and I mean real good out ot 75 yards. Outside that he drip gets huge. I know you can modify the gun to a longer barrel but there you are trying to get to revolver barrel lengths. As for actual numbers the special run were 2 guns for Buckeye Sports. The fir, st a 32-20/32HR mag Serial number 610-00XXXX. RENE says right at 5000 produced. The second gun and the one 10mm guys would be interested in is the 32-40/10mm. Serial numbers per RENE are 611-00XXX with around 5500 made 5000 were made for Buckeye and then 500 more produced for sale by Ruger as they have the rights to anything over the original orders.And besides Smiths 610 and 310 it is the only factory 10mm ever produced that I know about. There are customs and conversions but not factory guns. Seems the 610 is now a 1500 dollar gun and the Ruger can be gotten when found for anywhere from 650 lower condition to 1200 NIB. But as a set they go up to about 1500-1600 if you hve the matching serial number gun. They are rare compared to a gun that runs every year but not as rare as a gun that ran 750 and brings a lower price. I think its all about reputation and demand by certain parties of collectors an shooters.What it really is all about is are you happy with the money you spent for a particular gun. Just like anything else,did giving up the green make you happy.
Well, hell, I'm just gonna shoot summa momma's beer cans tommorrow with the 'ol buckeye. Gonna try 100 yards if I can see that far, the pain meds make my sight sorta blurry. :P really though, I do need to give it a work out, might use it on deer and hogs later this year, you guys got me on fire and I'm shootin' mine!
205 grain hardcast loaded to a muzzle velocity of 1300 fps in my Witness or 1911 10mm still is moving 1000 fps at 200 yards and delivering 460 lb-ft of energy.
Putting that shot in the vitals would be a challenge, but the bullet certainly has the energy and penetration still at that range for a kill on a white tail.
Oh i agree that the 200 yard shot with a pistol is possible but not the easiest of shots. I have handgun hunted for years and it is actually harder with open sights than bow hunting. ?holding that gun on he vitals plus my poor eyesight make it almost dam impossible. I try to keep my shots to bow range with a handgun giving myself an over 50 % chance of killing andnot wounding the animal. A jacket up 10mm will definitely carry the velocity and energy to kill at 200 yards the 38-40 on the other hand if yo remember was a rifle cartrige to start with and has more case capacity than a 10.Having killed over 200 whitetails with everything but a knife in the deer infested state on TN I pretty much know what it takes and it does not take much to kill a deer if you put your shot where its supposed to be. one the other hand wound one and their will to live will walk you for 5 miles and you will never find it. Its all about where the shot hits.And yes I have spent a lot of money I wish I had put in my safe hunting but at one time it was my obsession. i hunted all of North American and Canada. Great adventure but at great cost and so high now the average guy will never have the chanve to do what i did and its sad for the shooting industry and for the kids it might keep out of trouble.We are a dying breed.
Well RRMan03, I took the 'ol buckeye out today for some plinking. She performed wonderfully. At 25 yards, using Underwood 180 tmj, offhand, I got one ragged hole the size of a half dollar (12 shots). Everything hit at 1 o'clock about 3 inches high. That's all I had time to fire out of the Blackhawk. I'm positive that a heavier bullet will work better so I have to dig out the 200 and 220 grainers. Since I'm out of work for awhile with my bum knee I should have plenty more time to shoot. I've got the ammo, I just need a stockpile of 38-40 for the other cylinder.
Good luck on finding 38-40 Brass. I waited 6 weeks for my last order of Starline not from Starline as you cannot even order from them.I am going opposite of you. I am going long range light bullet. 155gr Barnes X. The guy working up my losd has the same gun as us and he says he has got a 155gr load that is a rocketship and has tremendous accuracy way on out there.
Once I get my stuff set up I'll have to look at that one for the 38-40. I was really impressed with the 10mm accuracy out of this gun, it grouped better than my 357's and I wasn't trying.. I should be able to try several different weights next week and do some serious target work, then on to the 38-40. I enjoy it.
If you want .38-40 brass from Starline direct, you'll have to get on the backorder list (place an order). The less common brass is queued differently than the more popular. They don't make a run until they have a significant percent of a production run on backorder. If you are on backorder, you are guaranteed what you ordered, once they make a run.
If you want or find "other" brands of brass (Winchester, Remington), use it ONLY for original pressure loads, unless you can confirm a newer design. Original (civil war era) pressure is 14K CUP (the only range offered by Winchester and "cowboy" load suppliers).. Current pressures can be double, and more, than that. Look inside the case at the web. If you can see a raised primer pocket, it's old. If the web is continuous across the base, it's newer. I might be able to get a picture to work, if needed.
I see Midway has the starline 38-40 in stock, might have to go ahead and order some and some dies. For the next few days I'm gonna work with the 10mm cylinder, it appears to be incredibly accurate. I did have an issue with the base pin backing out but I may not have had it locked in before firing, I did not have much time to test. If there is a problem I'll put in a belt mountain base pin. If it wasn't for RRMan03 I probably would not have had this much fun for months (I only got to fire 12 rounds). This gun shoots better than me. I need a ransom rest for this one, to see it's full potential.
Yeah, it's accurate. Hunting accurate, and better. I'd have to use a scoped pistol to do better, at 100+ yds. I have to be careful to not embarrass my guests (too bad) with it, either cartridge. As you've found out, nobody's bragging here.
The last four digits on my Buckeye Blackhawk Conversion are 1064. I believe I am the third owner, but according to the person I bought it from(with all the papers and both boxes)it was never fired than other at the factory(if Ruger even did that then). As best I could as could determine and having no reason not to believe him it certainly appeared mint new in the boxes and unfired upon arrival. Well being a shooter not a collector I soon remedied that condition :D
10MM Gary:
Yours is earlier than mine. Mine is 2524 and it was NIB. I am not going to be able to stand it and am just going to shoot it and get it over with or buy another one already shot,leave my matched set alone and shoot the one already fired as you know even if its been fired probably not fired much. I would like to have a 2nd one just like the 1st and that would solve my shot it or not dilema.Its only money so if I find one right I am gonna buy it. I am breaking myself with new Rugers and custom ammo.I only shoot factory ammo ubless I find a reloader I really trust and someone ho has been at it in my calibers for a while. Well I found just such a person so I will try some custom loaded ammo for my Rugers as they are tanks and are very hard to blow up. Not so with our auto pistols.Do you have the little brother of the set with your 3840/10mm? Seems not many have the matching number gun.I will never shootthe 32-20. No use but it sure makes the value go up if you decide to sell and have both.I am glad you have the gun and hope to see more of our fellow board members with these guns. As the more who have them the more we learn about them.That 10mm SA has turned me into a Ruger whore now.
Quote from: 10MMGary on June 11 2013 08:29:32 AM MDT
The last four digits on my Buckeye Blackhawk Conversion are 1064. I believe I am the third owner, but according to the person I bought it from(with all the papers and both boxes)it was never fired than other at the factory(if Ruger even did that then). As best I could as could determine and having no reason not to believe him it certainly appeared mint new in the boxes and unfired upon arrival. Well being a shooter not a collector I soon remedied that condition :D
That's the spirit! 8)
We are acquirers not collectors. We get them,admire them and then shoot the heck out of them.
Quote from: RRMan03 on June 12 2013 12:48:50 AM MDT
We are acquirers not collectors. We get them,admire them and then shoot the heck out of them.
Amen!
Especially the "shoot the heck out of them".
I have no use for a gun I can't enjoy by using it to unload ammo.
Well the sight in,ammo test and ammo decision are finished. 155gr Barnes X. 1935FPS. It is about 1 inch high at 50 yards and in a 2 inch circle at 100 yards open sights of bags. So I figure the gun is better than me and that is good enough and the custom load started at 1735 up 2050 and settled on 1935 for safety and accuracy. This gun is a bell ringer at 100yds and I would say not bad a 200yds which I will try next trip to the farm.Very pleased I bought this gun just wish I had discovered it about 10 years ago.But now it will last me into my last hunting years and it is plenty for deer,hogs,mountain lion and all the coyotes you want. Never though this gun would have that in it but I had not done my research. Only looked at the blackpowder numbers not the smokeless numbers plus modern components. It is a rifle bullet in a SA.
Quote from: RRMan03 on June 30 2013 01:15:56 AM MDT
Well the sight in,ammo test and ammo decision are finished. 155gr Barnes X. 1935FPS. It is about 1 inch high at 50 yards and in a 2 inch circle at 100 yards open sights of bags. So I figure the gun is better than me and that is good enough and the custom load started at 1735 up 2050 and settled on 1935 for safety and accuracy. This gun is a bell ringer at 100yds and I would say not bad a 200yds which I will try next trip to the farm.Very pleased I bought this gun just wish I had discovered it about 10 years ago.But now it will last me into my last hunting years and it is plenty for deer,hogs,mountain lion and all the coyotes you want. Never though this gun would have that in it but I had not done my research. Only looked at the blackpowder numbers not the smokeless numbers plus modern components. It is a rifle bullet in a SA.
I can't believe your getting that kind of velocity out of your ruger handgun, that's definitely Smok'in.
If I didn't see it, I wouldn't believe it.
That is what someonewho knows what they are doing while reloading can do. I had no idea either that it would get that but it does and at 100 its like shooting a rifle with the light 155 gr bullet. Lots of room for powder in that big case and someonewho knows what they are doing will not blow themselves up.
Quote from: d762nato on June 30 2013 11:29:00 AM MDT
Quote from: RRMan03 on June 30 2013 01:15:56 AM MDT
Well the sight in,ammo test and ammo decision are finished. 155gr Barnes X. 1935FPS. It is about 1 inch high at 50 yards and in a 2 inch circle at 100 yards open sights of bags. So I figure the gun is better than me and that is good enough and the custom load started at 1735 up 2050 and settled on 1935 for safety and accuracy. This gun is a bell ringer at 100yds and I would say not bad a 200yds which I will try next trip to the farm.Very pleased I bought this gun just wish I had discovered it about 10 years ago.But now it will last me into my last hunting years and it is plenty for deer,hogs,mountain lion and all the coyotes you want. Never though this gun would have that in it but I had not done my research. Only looked at the blackpowder numbers not the smokeless numbers plus modern components. It is a rifle bullet in a SA.
I can't believe your getting that kind of velocity out of your ruger handgun, that's definitely Smok'in.
I have a hard time believing it as well, but I have a harder time calling a man a liar(and I am in no way saying that is what you are doing d762nato, so please don't think so)and even more so when he has another man backing his claim. I am saying I want to see it(from behind some safety glass ;D first) and would love to see what it does to a big white tail or a big ole 300 lb + or so feral hog using that Barnes X bullet. Seems I need to start doing some reading research and some T/E with different powders and projectiles. Have you taken any larger game with those loads RRMan03, if so I would love to hear your experiences. Take care all and please keep educating this old fart in training :P.
My ammo was worked up for me by a gentleman on this site. I do not reload. I just told him what I wanted to use. We went from 1750 to 2050 and backed down deciding on 1950 for safety.I would feel OK trying to take elk up close to 75 yards with this bullet but have never tried.Remember bears,hogs,lions are usually stationary and at bay when taken. Coyotes are the hardest as they never stop.Whitetail deer are easy where i live no matter what you use.We have so many they are considered accidents waiting to get your car or truck. We have a 3 per day doe limit.I never dreamed that you could get that much out of the 3840 but it is a rifle cartridge and even though made for blackpowder times have changed and with the modern equipment and components things change. Now if you buy factory ammo it is loaded at 850-900fps because of all the older guns designed foe blackpowder 100 plus years age. This Ruger being built like a tank allows an experienced reloaded to really experiment. My reloaded also already had this gun and had worked up loads for this bullet prior to my having even bought the gun. I actuallly bought it because it has an extra 10mm cylinder. You can use anything Underwood makes and not even have any reason to be worried as I am sure it could be taken up but the bullet is so big the cartridge space is not enought to gain much from Underwoods full power loads.I love this Revolver.
This is my recipe, and I loaded the cartridges. If not for the extensive discussion about limiting this load to ONLY the Ruger Blackhawk, T/E, or 1892 Winchester, it would have ended before it began. This load WILL scatter a colt pistol (or replica), or an 1894W rifle (originals, I don't know about later productions or replicas). They aren't designed for full magnum (handgun) pressure. I don't know how the Contenders and Marlins would do without some testing.
Anyway, the load development was very meticulous. I started with using resized .44 Mag brass, which is much thicker than the available .38-40 brass. The resized .44M brass must have the necks turned down to fit the chamber. I worked up the load with full safeties in practice, and never exceeded any limitations of pressure indicators. This being a shouldered cartridge, excessive pressure is easy to identify, and it only showed slightly at much higher power than what was settled (that ridiculous limit is a secret....I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you....). It just kept going and going, never breaking a sweat. A perfect storm, methinks. It happens on occasion, and I've run across it in a few calibers.
ONLY Starline brass should be used for this load. All the others are designed for LOW pressure (14K), unless you make your own from .44M brass. This is a 34-38K PSI load. The original design brass has 0.125" less thickness in the case web than the modern Starline.
The attained velocities are insane, and accuracy followed all the way up to almost near max velocity. Once I established the range, I started over with .38-40 brass, and the rest is as RRMan03 has said. History. The end result is a very reliable cartridge capable of delivering 1350+ FPE, with a trajectory so flat you can set your coffee cup on it. This will deliver more bullet energy at 100+ yds than the 10mm Auto will at the muzzle, with the same bullet.
DM:I never gave you away as I was not sure you wanted it out or in.I just refered to you as a gentleman on this website and that you are. Now that they know I will be the 2nd one called a liar instead of the first. LOL !!!
I have nothing to hide, but I try to be responsible. This is why I don't post specific "over book" or unpublished loads on the open forums. I don't think anyone called anyone a liar. If I hadn't done it, or hadn't seen it for myself, I'd be skeptical, too. I went so far as multiple chronograph benchmark calibrations, multiple chronographs, times of day, and days of week (to vary the climate conditions). It's real, and you've seen the results. What leaves me scratching my head, still, is how easy it was to develop (which actually made it less easy in the end). Sometimes I get it right the first time (component selection), but that's rarely the case. Sometimes, it's more surprising when something works out, and I had low expectations for that bullet. I hate them, but they are necessary for hunting where I live, so I have a vested interest. You are welcome to share the pic's and video link I sent you.
Since the question remains is it really true I prefer just to let them seek out someone the way I did. Not being smart or knowing it all but asking if this was possible. And you said probably. and the results were outstanding. Even I never even thought about the 3840 when I bought the gun as I bought it for the 10mm cylinder and now that is just my practice cylinder as the 3840 is the rifle cylinder in a handgun. and I told you I had all the faith in the world in the Barnes 155 having used Barnes from 125 all the way to 325gr in the X. I knew if you got the load that the end result would be devasting. Just think if you had a case of those about 125 years ago. They would have made you a sniper with a SA revolver.I am still looking for some 155gr bullets in Barnes. If I find them I will ship them. I will put in fired brass with bullets if I ever find any.
And DM1906 now that its out THANK YOU for your help. I could not have found a better guy for this job than you and I appreciate everything you have done and all the questions you have answered. You can be sure of one thing. This gun is at the top of the line for ready. I may just start carrying it for my job. Bet that would go over big. LOL And thats not public !!!
Quote from: DM1906 on June 05 2013 02:09:33 PM MDT
S/A revolvers are more of an acquired taste, rather than a following, in any caliber. Essentially, they are obsolete in today's SD circles. They are what they are.
5,000 each were made for Davidson's. I've "heard" it was 2500 each (for a total of 5,000), but the serial numbers would suggest otherwise. They started at xxx-000001 (saw a pic of this one), and I've seen and heard of SN's in the 4xxx range, including mine. Surely they didn't have 2500 culls.
THE WERE MADE for Buckeye Shooters Supply in Canton Ohio.
That is an awsome setup, I saw one of thoes once and passed on it due to the price but now kinda wish I had gotten it.
Quote from: WIL TERRY on July 12 2013 03:55:22 PM MDT
Quote from: DM1906 on June 05 2013 02:09:33 PM MDT
S/A revolvers are more of an acquired taste, rather than a following, in any caliber. Essentially, they are obsolete in today's SD circles. They are what they are.
5,000 each were made for Davidson's. I've "heard" it was 2500 each (for a total of 5,000), but the serial numbers would suggest otherwise. They started at xxx-000001 (saw a pic of this one), and I've seen and heard of SN's in the 4xxx range, including mine. Surely they didn't have 2500 culls.
THE WERE MADE for Buckeye Shooters Supply in Canton Ohio.
Of course. Perhaps I should have said made for distribution through Davidson's. I'm not aware of Buckeye SS stocking or retailing any of them not through Davidson's.
Howdy, folks...
Two years ago, I bought a matched pair of Buckeye Blackhawks, thinking that I could sell the 38-40 and keep the 32-20. Then, my daughter and I shot the 10mm, and said, "We gotta keep this!"
It's a great pistol. I found so many bargains for 10mm components, it's one of the least expensive rounds I can reload. I love it!
Then last month I traded my 327 SP-101 for a Delta Elite. Now I'm all set!
Hoping to find some good info on reloads on this board. Glad to be here!
Glad to see you here, you have found the place!
Quote from: MCQUADE on April 06 2014 09:13:24 PM MDT
Glad to see you here, you have found the place!
Thank you!
After you suggested I give the 38-40 a try, I looked around and found two boxes of 38-40 behind my 10mm. I'll shoot them and save the brass... when I come across used dies, I'll load some up since I have all the other components. Can you suggest a load?
Sorry but I ain't the reloading expert but there are some decent loads online, check out some of John Taffin's work. There is at least one member here that has honed the 38-40 into a true beast. Perhaps he will offer some help.
Been following this buckeye blackhawk thread....and I started to think this is a gun to hunt down.
May sound like fiction....but... I walked into our local gun shop east of town and asked if they take in any
Ruger 10mm blackhawk's? They had a quick no, but
the guy at the counter says " I think so and so has that revolver....well I give the guys my number for him to call me and
sure enough he bought that 38-40 for cowboy shoots he used to compete in...
anyway...He got back with me today and for the 38-40 die set and gun with both cylinders and the orig. box..... $400.00
If it's not abused, and in at least very good shape?....it's found a new home....When/if it comes together, I will post pics.
ss59......
I forgot to ask...what should I be looking for in this case for signs of abuse or yellow flags?..it's a safe queen now, but he has ran at least
1000 rounds thru it...my understanding is the blackhawk platform is pretty strong....any comments would be of help..
ss59
1,000 rounds is a decent break in for a Blackhawk. Check the bore and make sure the cylinder lockup is tight but I doubt it will have any problems....and for $400 you best grab it!
McQuade....thx for the note...
I will check those items...and yes, at 400 I am not paying a premium that might happen with a bidding war at
The auction sites. I hope to pickup next week but first need the purchase permit from the city police dept.
I'll tell you right now, if you get it and don't like it, I'll buy it from 'ya! I love the 38-40 after a member here showed me what it really was :o
Picked up the blackhawk today...it is in great shape, well taken care..I am very happy and can't
Wait to shoot some rounds down that barrel!
McQuade....the cylinder lockup is tight and by some chance I don't like it...you will know :)
SagSlim59's Ruger Buckeye 10mm
He writes
Quotewent out last week to shoot the new Blackhawk, and after 12 rounds of
Georgia arms ammo, switched to underwood and could not close the cylinder door?
...Any way ...I value your input....sagslim59
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The only thing I can think of is that the soot is keeping the cartridges from fully seating in the chambers. Try brushing it clean and test the fit to see how they do! Get back with us for more information.
SagSlim59 writes back, after he finishes stacking the wood.
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QuoteCleaned the soot seems to have worked. ..the tolerance must be tight...which explains it shot a lot better than me :)...anyway , I will keep an eye on it
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Very nice
I just wish you could get an Old Model in 10mm