I see some big hogs sometimes I'm talking 3-500# Would my 200 gr noslers loaded hotter than UW or BB or Dt do the job on a broadside shot or would I be better off using solids. And what is the big craze about Hard cast seems like a brass jacket flat point would be nearly the same. Only diff I see is the wider nose. It just seems like they'd run pretty far. I'm talking protein pellet, year round corn fed Russian/feral mix pigs up to 400+. I shot one in high school with a 270 double lunged her and she ran and took down a fence. She only made it about 50 yards. It was the coolest hog I've seen. She was atleast 400 I thought it was a cow from far way before she came in.
Not sure I would use a hollow point on a hog, especially one that big. Hogs have extremely tough skin and fat layers that will prevent a hollow point from penetrating to the vital areas. I would go hard cast, 200 or 220 gr or FMJ at the very least, no less than 1200 fps. I would risk a 200 gr hollow point on deer or bear but a hog? No way.
What Grim Reaper said. Couldn't have said it better myself.
yep... 205 grain WFN at 1200 fps would be the medicine I would feed them.
No personal experience with large hogs, only a small 100 pounder. But, someone on another forum swears by Speer TMJs for taking larger North American game & especially elk.
Quote from: jdub1836 on May 23 2013 11:43:22 PM MDT
I see some big hogs sometimes I'm talking 3-500# Would my 200 gr noslers loaded hotter than UW or BB or Dt do the job on a broadside shot or would I be better off using solids. And what is the big craze about Hard cast seems like a brass jacket flat point would be nearly the same. Only diff I see is the wider nose. It just seems like they'd run pretty far. I'm talking protein pellet, year round corn fed Russian/feral mix pigs up to 400+. I shot one in high school with a 270 double lunged her and she ran and took down a fence. She only made it about 50 yards. It was the coolest hog I've seen. She was atleast 400 I thought it was a cow from far way before she came in.
Flat nosed hardcast bullets generally kill
much better than an FMJ even if it has a flat point
I dont really know why
The why is the size of the flat. A TMJ in 10mm will generally have a flat that is about .250" in diameter. A WFN on the other hand will be at least 70%, and more likely 80% of bullet diameter. That puts it between .280" and .320". You even see some that are .350".
That big flat metplat cuts a larger hole, transmits more energy to the game, resulting in faster bleed out.
300 to 500 pounds you are under gunned with a 10mm unless you really shoot carefully and pick you shot. I think the recovery percentage would be pretty bad. I sure would not take pigs that big unless I had a dog (I do). With a 10mm you will do some trailing if you hunt tight cover
I like the 200gr hp for the pigs I take (year old or less). I hunt really tight privet thickets. 200 gr hp has best recovery rate for me
Quote from: rustytxr on June 06 2013 03:46:00 PM MDT
300 to 500 pounds you are under gunned with a 10mm unless you really shoot carefully and pick you shot. I think the recovery percentage would be pretty bad. I sure would not take pigs that big unless I had a dog (I do). With a 10mm you will do some trailing if you hunt tight cover
I like the 200gr hp for the pigs I take (year old or less). I hunt really tight privet thickets. 200 gr hp has best recovery rate for me
I've see 5x5 elk killed with a 10mm longslide glock so I would think the 10mm and the right bullet would take down a big hog.
A 22 in the right place can do the job. On the farm growing up that is what we used, even on big boars. But in those cases the animals were old, sick and domesticated. You could walk right up to them and give them their shot of 2592 milligrams of lead inter-cranially at point blank range.
But with a wild hog you wont usually have that advantage, and if you upset them they may turn on you. A 300-500 lb hog with tusks is definitely dangerous game. Result is you don't want to be under-gunned. And that is why I would agree that 10mm is marginal. If you are gonna try it, and it is legal where you are, I would strongly suggest a hunting partner backing you with some stronger medicine if needed.
Quote from: d762nato on June 07 2013 07:10:13 AM MDT
I've see 5x5 elk killed with a 10mm longslide glock so I would think the 10mm and the right bullet would take down a big hog.
Elk aren't hogs. All else being equal, it's a LOT easier to take an 800# bull elk than a 400# boar. Considering the use of a marginally effective platform, such as the 10mm Auto handgun, the difference between them increases.
Quote from: DM1906 on June 07 2013 10:27:35 AM MDT
Elk aren't hogs. All else being equal, it's a LOT easier to take an 800# bull elk than a 400# boar. Considering the use of a marginally effective platform, such as the 10mm Auto handgun, the difference between them increases.
IMO you are correct. This is especially true when recovery is considered in the equation. I have only been elk hunting 7 times. They big with a big kill area. Trailing a elk is much easier then trailing a pig. Pigs are just plain tough.
10mm does a good job on smaller pigs. Even them you have to place your shot well if you expect to recover you pig without a dog. I hunt Texas pigs in February. Poison ivy, ticks, and chigger numbers are down. Last February I took 16 pigs mostly with 10mm. (also took some 460 Rowland and 41 mag).
I really like 10mm. Have hunted pig with Glock G20 since 1995. In the 80s and 90s I was taking 30 or so a year. At 70years old I have slowed down and can't work big pigs.
(http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o727/rustytxrx/2012-10-17221652_zps8836d659.jpg)
I agree.
And, hunting without a reasonable expectation of recovery ("taking") isn't hunting. It's extermination, and it's illegal. This is why many/most states have minimum "firepower" restrictions.
Quote from: DM1906 on June 07 2013 10:27:35 AM MDT
Quote from: d762nato on June 07 2013 07:10:13 AM MDT
I've see 5x5 elk killed with a 10mm longslide glock so I would think the 10mm and the right bullet would take down a big hog.
Elk aren't hogs. All else being equal, it's a LOT easier to take an 800# bull elk than a 400# boar. Considering the use of a marginally effective platform, such as the 10mm Auto handgun, the difference between them increases.
Well I've never shot a hog before so I guess I've just learned something. If I ever do get to go hog hunting I'll be carrying my old winchester 88 in 308 that should do the trick with my 10 as a secondary weapon. Thanks,
Quote from: d762nato on June 07 2013 05:50:16 PM MDT
Quote from: DM1906 on June 07 2013 10:27:35 AM MDT
Quote from: d762nato on June 07 2013 07:10:13 AM MDT
I've see 5x5 elk killed with a 10mm longslide glock so I would think the 10mm and the right bullet would take down a big hog.
Elk aren't hogs. All else being equal, it's a LOT easier to take an 800# bull elk than a 400# boar. Considering the use of a marginally effective platform, such as the 10mm Auto handgun, the difference between them increases.
Well I've never shot a hog before so I guess I've just learned something. If I ever do get to go hog hunting I'll be carrying my old winchester 88 in 308 that should do the trick with my 10 as a secondary weapon. Thanks,
That is a very good choice. Pig hunting with a pistol in general takes careful shot placement. A sounder of pigs is constant motion. They are pushing and shoving each other. With fifteen pigs around you I is hard to get a shot.
I hope you get to hunt pigs. If you do and get into a young sounder, brake out the 10mm and go to work. I usually recommend a pistol and rifle to friends coming out to hunt. It is a bit of self defense really. I don't want to spend 4 to 5 hours with the dogs on a skinny blood trail. That does two bad things at the same time. Let's every pig within the frame know you are hunting and wastes everyone else hunting time looking for a wounded pig. DRT is what I look for :)
I agree.
And, hunting without a reasonable expectation of recovery ("taking") isn't hunting. It's extermination, and it's illegal. This is why many/most states have minimum "firepower" restrictions.
You are actually pretty close and if we could exterminate them we would. I have shot pigs out of helicopters, hunted them with dogs and knife, but most the time we corn the ranch roads and then drive around. Still they're numbers grow. They are pests and over 2.6 million here in TX. There are even cash rewards in different counties. It's badddd down here. We go out in a night and will shoot double digits. We even use night vision and thermal optics bc they get so smart. They are destroying the land and even threatening our sea turtle population bc they root up the eggs and eat them. 1 sal has 9-10 baby's at a time 3 times a year. I'm an ethical hunter but when it comes to wild hog in South Tx any thing goes. A 17 hmr with a supressor and night vision drops them like a sack of potatoes.
Well it is kind of exterminating I live in south tx and there is a huge problem. We hunt out of helicopters a lot with ar on one side and 1100 full of buck shot on the other.
Quote from: jdub1836 on June 10 2013 01:34:37 PM MDT
Well it is kind of exterminating I live in south tx and there is a huge problem. We hunt out of helicopters a lot with ar on one side and 1100 full of buck shot on the other.
Agreed pigs sure tear things up. On the other hand I can think of a couple of dozen Texas ranch where the feral pig has turned into a cash crop. Just add a few hunters and some hunting fees.
Pigs make owning a 10mm a lot more fun :)
I dream of time and finance to visit texas on such a hunt. Time is the big issue. Maybe someday.
Quote from: sqlbullet on June 12 2013 10:15:07 AM MDT
I dream of time and finance to visit texas on such a hunt. Time is the big issue. Maybe someday.
for hunting pigs with a 10 mm this is the most important thing ya need to know. if it is a big pig, get the near leg forward (not like the picture) and shoot the line for the off side leg and about 4" up into the rib cage. you can use the elbow as a marker.
http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/o727/rustytxrx/pig_zpsb4dcb8d3.gif
if it is a smaller pig you can shoot about 3" above the elbow if the near leg is back. in my area a 12 month old pig will gross 120# or so. when they get to 200 to 300 you got to shoot carefully. the largest pig I have personally seen (and witnessed weighed) was 405#.
you hear about monster pigs but I have never witnessed one. on the other had I think 405# is a monster pig
I use nosler 200 jacketed hollow point. some guys use hard cast bullets for penetration. that can give you a long trail sometimes. I hunt in real tight cover. my plans is to knock the stuffen out of them. 200 gr nosler HP at max velocity, glock g20, and 6" lonewolf barrel workds for me.
Congrats, That's a pretty big porker and a 308 to the head pretty much puts the lights out on most game I would assume.
Thanks for the pics and Imfo on Hog hunting gentleman.
Now wouldnt that be a fun trip. Get a 10mm group hunt to TX with our 10mm's and try to help reduce the population some.
I bet the TX boys would be of great help and know where and what to do.
This is one of the things I look forward to doing sometime. I can kick myself for not going when I lived in Fl for 4 years.
Brian
Quote from: 445 supermag on June 16 2013 10:47:44 PM MDT
Now wouldnt that be a fun trip. Get a 10mm group hunt to TX with our 10mm's and try to help reduce the population some.
I bet the TX boys would be of great help and know where and what to do.
This is one of the things I look forward to doing sometime. I can kick myself for not going when I lived in Fl for 4 years.
Brian
that is doable. I have put together several pig hunts for cyber friends. Best time is after deer season. February is my favorite pig hunting month. poison ivy, tick and chiggers have been killed back. the ranches usually have a bunk house. it is a lot of fun
Not for nothing guys & gals, but feral hogs are really not that hard to kill. I know it may seem like a cliche but it is simply about shot placement. I have killed feral hogs from piglets to FL versions of hogzillas with everything from a CCI 22 mag FMJ, 38spl lead round nose factory loads, up to 7MM Rem Mag. From my experience if you learn the anatomy of a feral hog and wait for your shot you can & will drop them with a 22LR. They are not Cape Buffs or Rhinos, put a projectile or arrow in the proper place and you will drop the hog.
What is the meat like compared to store bought ham?
I mean I know it won't be injected with this or that for flavor/preserving, but is it generally delicious?
I have an itch to harvest one just for a tasty treat, but I've never tasted wild hog before.
I think it is very tasty. Took my son hunting & he got a 100lb hog. We took it to a freinds home who has a smoker big enough to smoke the whole hog. Came out really good. But, my opinion may not be the best. I've always liked gamey meat. Did a lot of duck hunting when I was a kid & always like greasy duck!
Quote from: REDLINE on July 19 2013 08:19:50 PM MDT
What is the meat like compared to store bought ham?
I mean I know it won't be injected with this or that for flavor/preserving, but is it generally delicious?
I have an itch to harvest one just for a tasty treat, but I've never tasted wild hog before.
Personally for myself and the guys & gals I hunt with prefer the small ones. If they are much over 75-100 pounds we don't eat them. They lay where they die "Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms" or depending on whoevers land we are on we will field dress them and give them away or drag them in to the palmetto scrub or swamp, and let the coyotes gators skunk apes eat them. Now for a pig roast where there is going to be a lot of people, we will live trap or catch a big one(with dogs)pen it and feed it up good corn various fruits and veggies for 6 or so weeks. Makes all the difference in the world in the taste to me. Also mature boars never taste as good as a sow. That is just my opinion and experience with south FL ferals, other mileage may vary.
Quote from: DM1906 on June 07 2013 02:50:52 PM MDT
I agree.
And, hunting without a reasonable expectation of recovery ("taking") isn't hunting. It's extermination, and it's illegal. This is why many/most states have minimum "firepower" restrictions.
Not sure where you are from by here in FL that are considered livestock or invasive pest on private property and there is no bag limit season or minimal caliber requirement. Additionally no requirement to do anything once you have shot/speared one, as long as you do not torture or abuse them you can kill and do whatever you want with them other than sell the meat.
Quote from: 10MMGary on July 23 2013 05:58:00 PM MDT
Quote from: REDLINE on July 19 2013 08:19:50 PM MDT
What is the meat like compared to store bought ham?
I mean I know it won't be injected with this or that for flavor/preserving, but is it generally delicious?
I have an itch to harvest one just for a tasty treat, but I've never tasted wild hog before.
Personally for myself and the guys & gals I hunt with prefer the small ones. If they are much over 75-100 pounds we don't eat them. They lay where they die "Buzzards gotta eat, same as worms" or depending on whoevers land we are on we will field dress them and give them away or drag them in to the palmetto scrub or swamp, and let the coyotes gators skunk apes eat them. Now for a pig roast where there is going to be a lot of people, we will live trap or catch a big one(with dogs)pen it and feed it up good corn various fruits and veggies for 6 or so weeks. Makes all the difference in the world in the taste to me. Also mature boars never taste as good as a sow. That is just my opinion and experience with south FL ferals, other mileage may vary.
Quote from: DAVIDF on July 23 2013 09:31:48 AM MDT
I think it is very tasty. Took my son hunting & he got a 100lb hog. We took it to a freinds home who has a smoker big enough to smoke the whole hog. Came out really good. But, my opinion may not be the best. I've always liked gamey meat. Did a lot of duck hunting when I was a kid & always like greasy duck!
Thanks guys! That very much puts into perspective table fare of wild hogs.
I think many on here are under estimating the 10mm. A gun that killed more animals than any other all over the world was the 38/40. That was a 200 gr bullet at 1200 fps. A standard full power 10mm. The 10mm can go hotter.
The 10mm is more than capible of taking any animal in north America. A flat nose hard cast would be the bullet choice.
In my deer hunting with it all animals fall on the spot. Wisconsin deer. 200lbs dressed. Not some little southern deer.
Quote from: ctious on July 24 2013 09:08:41 PM MDTI think many on here are under estimating the 10mm.
I agree. IMO I think many on here specifically under estimate the lighter bullet weights too. Not saying that means I'm telling anyone to use the lighter bullet weights (lighter than 165gr), just that I see them being much more formidable than many give them credit for.
QuoteThe 10mm is more than capible of taking any animal in north America.
I pretty much agree but lean toward it not being the best idea on actual self defense against bears bigger than the average black bear. In general hunting of any bear I do agree, just not against any bear that's made a decision to attack.
QuoteA flat nose hard cast would be the bullet choice.
Not for me, but opinions will vary.
Quote from: 10MMGary on July 23 2013 06:06:44 PM MDT
Quote from: DM1906 on June 07 2013 02:50:52 PM MDT
I agree.
And, hunting without a reasonable expectation of recovery ("taking") isn't hunting. It's extermination, and it's illegal. This is why many/most states have minimum "firepower" restrictions.
Not sure where you are from by here in FL that are considered livestock or invasive pest on private property and there is no bag limit season or minimal caliber requirement. Additionally no requirement to do anything once you have shot/speared one, as long as you do not torture or abuse them you can kill and do whatever you want with them other than sell the meat.
We're talking about two different things. "Hunting" and depredation are very different. I don't disagree with you, in context. It used to be the same in CA, until the state saw there may be some profit in it. They were wrong. Years ago, a $5 punch card allowed for 5 hogs, then you bought another if you wanted more, or you could buy several at once. It was for accountability, and was very popular. "Wild pigs/hogs" are not wild, they are feral, which by definition, means NOT a game animal. The "state" reclassified them as a game animal, and gave full control to DFG. Now, single tags are over 20 bucks, and the hog populations are out of control. The state gets less revenue, the farmers/ranchers have a greater burden, and it's much less appealing to hunters to make the effort. Most of the "hogs" aren't worth 20 bucks. Back in the day, I'd fill about 2 punch cards a year. Anymore, I only take 1 or 2 a year, and it doesn't break my heart if I don't. When they swarm in and plow up my pond and pasture, I have no problem with taking out a couple dozen, and the real wild animals eat well for a while. They also make good coyote bait.
With all the Pork on the run, you really have to ask yourself one question...Why do the Islamic Bastards even bother to live here? :o
Having killed enough hogs to fill a tandem dump truck over the years albeit 98% with a rifle the pistol at close range is viable. The hogs I have shot with a pistol (most 44 mag) were ones caught in a trap so the range was very short about 15 yards. That being said the best place to shoot a feral hog is in the head obviously however that is not always possible. The best place that will kill them and we don't hunt hogs we eradicate them is low behind the shoulder. This area has no tough muscle or bone to go through and it will get to the lungs which is the key---they can only go so far until they start blowing blood through the nose as the lungs fill up with blood. Nasty vermin they are...