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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: Patriot on May 20 2013 10:49:56 AM MDT

Title: More idiots
Post by: Patriot on May 20 2013 10:49:56 AM MDT
Glad I left California.

They signed their micro-stamping laws onto the books. Any gun sold in California now has to leave a serial number on the brass.

http://www.montereyherald.com/news/ci_23276318/california-enforce-micro-stamping-gun-law
Title: Re: More idiots
Post by: sqlbullet on May 20 2013 11:09:42 AM MDT
This could really drive the black market price of guns without the micro stamping.  Because most gang banger's really give a lot of thought to making sure the serial number of the stolen gun they have is not going to be left on the brass of the stolen ammo they are going to shoot.
Title: Re: More idiots
Post by: LeMat on May 20 2013 11:57:44 AM MDT
Yep, this'll sure keep guns out of the hands of bad guys.

Manufacturers aren't going to retool just to sell guns in Cali.
Title: Re: More idiots
Post by: DM1906 on May 20 2013 12:29:38 PM MDT
Yes, more idiots!  It isn't all that bad, however.  The new law only applies to "new production" handguns.  All previous production currently approved for sale in CA aren't required to have the BS micro-stamping.  It only applies to handguns that are not yet marketed.  We're hopeful the "law" will be stricken before any new guns are introduced.  Many/most manufacturers are declining to register new weapons with the CA DROP list anyway, so the affect will be minimal in any case.
Title: Re: More idiots
Post by: Patriot on May 20 2013 12:46:00 PM MDT
Quote from: DM1906 on May 20 2013 12:29:38 PM MDT
Yes, more idiots!  It isn't all that bad, however.  The new law only applies to "new production" handguns.  All previous production currently approved for sale in CA aren't required to have the BS micro-stamping.  It only applies to handguns that are not yet marketed.  We're hopeful the "law" will be stricken before any new guns are introduced.  Many/most manufacturers are declining to register new weapons with the CA DROP list anyway, so the affect will be minimal in any case.

The California Attorney General reads the law differently, and at the new conference I saw said "newly sold semiautomatics" are subject to the requirements. They are going to label models by year, so a Colt 1911 2012 model is different from a Colt 1911 2013 model by the law. I couldn't find a video of the press conference but this article paraphrases her: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Gun-control-Cartridge-ID-law-to-take-effect-4527165.php#ixzz2TerXKVee "But at a Los Angeles news conference Friday, Harris announced that micro-stamping had cleared all technological and patenting hurdles and would be required on newly sold semiautomatics, effective immediately."

Title: Re: More idiots
Post by: TheDuke on May 20 2013 12:57:16 PM MDT
Quote from: Grim Reaper on May 20 2013 12:46:00 PM MDT
Quote from: DM1906 on May 20 2013 12:29:38 PM MDT
Yes, more idiots!  It isn't all that bad, however.  The new law only applies to "new production" handguns.  All previous production currently approved for sale in CA aren't required to have the BS micro-stamping.  It only applies to handguns that are not yet marketed.  We're hopeful the "law" will be stricken before any new guns are introduced.  Many/most manufacturers are declining to register new weapons with the CA DROP list anyway, so the affect will be minimal in any case.

The California Attorney General reads the law differently, and at the new conference I saw said "newly sold semiautomatics" are subject to the requirements. They are going to label models by year, so a Colt 1911 2012 model is different from a Colt 1911 2013 model by the law. I couldn't find a video of the press conference but this article paraphrases her: http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Gun-control-Cartridge-ID-law-to-take-effect-4527165.php#ixzz2TerXKVee "But at a Los Angeles news conference Friday, Harris announced that micro-stamping had cleared all technological and patenting hurdles and would be required on newly sold semiautomatics, effective immediately."

I saw this as well and even if that wasnt the laws intent thats how she says she interprets it.
Title: Re: More idiots
Post by: DM1906 on May 20 2013 04:28:40 PM MDT
The letter of the law means nothing.  This is California.  They will impose their interpretation, and make the lawyers rich later (just like they do with the US and state Constitution).  We're used to it.  They maliciously write the laws with vague language, allowing for the loose interpretation.  Every one of the previous laws that weren't specific have been repealed.  It just takes time, and lots of lawyer money.  It wouldn't hurt the rest of the nation to donate to the California cause, because you're next.  It only takes one right (wrong) administration to deadlock the freedoms for decades.  The AG discussion in the news conference you saw was what what they want to do with the law, not specifically what the law allows.  They'll push their interpretation until they exceed their authority.  It's S.O.P. here.

The new law (by definition, not interpretation) only prohibits the sale, within CA, "new production" handguns, not currently authorized for sale.  Currently authorized handguns will only be involved, if they are required to re-certify the authorization (the "catch").  Under current law, the state must have a specific reason to require a re-certification, but I think they'll have no hesitation ignoring that condition.
Title: Re: More idiots
Post by: The Earl o Sammich on May 22 2013 05:42:49 PM MDT
This may have "unintended consequences" for the gun grabbers.  It may prove that most violent crime is perpetrated with stolen, or other wise illegal guns.

Of course it will always be the gun's fault. :'(