$799!?!?!? What the crap? This same store also had a standard CZ 75B for $729
Link?
I was actually in the store, so I don't have a link to the RIA, but here's the CZ listed on ArmsList that is also in the same store:
http://www.armslist.com/posts/1566658/cleveland-ohio-handguns-for-sale--cz-75b-9mm
Always at least one, sometimes more, that take advantage of shortages in supply of anything. Best to remember this when things turn around and take your business elsewhere. Just my opinion.
This store is near my Ma & Pa's house. I was out that way seeing them today and I stopped in after seeing that CZ in armslist the other day just to be outraged in person :).
$720 would outrage most. ;D I bought a CZ-75B a year ago for 480 out the door. That included 7% sales tax. Maybe they've gone up a 'little'. :o
I would kindly ask them you noticed an increase in prices. Maybe something going on we all don't know in the market.
Saw one at the Houston Gun Collector's Association Gun Show last month going for $699. The dealer had mentioned that they don't stay unsold for very long, so I suppose it is not outside the realm of possibility for the price increase....
I wouldn't want to see one, because it would probably end up coming home with me. I just LOVE 10mm!
Oh phooie, as soon as I sent in a big check for medical co-payments and have nothing left in the bank account, I see this! Anybody in south Alabama want to try one of these RIA 10mm's at $600?
http://www.armslist.com/posts/1611096/mobile-alabama-handguns-for-sale--ria-10mm-1911 (http://www.armslist.com/posts/1611096/mobile-alabama-handguns-for-sale--ria-10mm-1911)
I have a VZ75B that has less than 50 through it comes with case and 2 mags. one is 10 other is 16.
If interested contact me. Cheers
Quote from: hAkron on May 07 2013 05:59:11 PM MDT
$799!?!?!? What the crap? This same store also had a standard CZ 75B for $729
Hummm ....I bought one four months ago for $530. I really really like it, of course I've spent about $300 on it springs, reverse flush cut crown, ect. I also hand milled the slide rollmarks. The slide's at Coal Creek Armory getting the melonited. It will be a very cool Frankin Rock. Shoot's as good as my Baer or Brown. ;D
I picked one up about 3 months ago, my first 10 mm, under 600 before tax. Liked the cartridge but not the Rock. I had a Tactical Two-Tone earlier in .45 ACP and with a trigger job it ran like a new clock, but I found the 10 to feel gritty even after a nice solvent bath de-grease and cleaning. Fired 100 rounds, listed it for sale (after taxes I think I lost $20) looked around at DW Pointman on Gunbroker, then bought a Kimber SS Target 10 when the DW price went out of my range. Really happy with the Kimber. That makes 3.
Welcome to the forum cmemiss!
The Kimber makes a nice 10mm platform as it offers more chamber support than any other 10mm semi-auto platform I know of. Eats nuclear level 10mm loads with ease. 8)
Good to know. You guys run a nice board, I've been lurking for a while now.
They really do! This is the most laid back highly informative good people firearms related website I've ever come across. Love it here! 8)
Quote from: cmemiss on June 11 2013 10:57:56 AM MDT
I picked one up about 3 months ago, my first 10 mm, under 600 before tax. Liked the cartridge but not the Rock. I had a Tactical Two-Tone earlier in .45 ACP and with a trigger job it ran like a new clock, but I found the 10 to feel gritty even after a nice solvent bath de-grease and cleaning. Fired 100 rounds, listed it for sale (after taxes I think I lost $20) looked around at DW Pointman on Gunbroker, then bought a Kimber SS Target 10 when the DW price went out of my range. Really happy with the Kimber. That makes 3.
Apples to oranges comparison. A 1200 dollar gun SHOULD be much better than a $600 one. I went with a Dan Wesson Razorback for my first, a custom built Fusion Firearms long slide that cost me twice as much as the Wesson. Guess which one I think is better? Though the Dan Wesson shoots dang good!
Dan Wesson 10mm using my 185 grain reloaded ammo at 21 feet.
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Actually, my point was that the older Two-Tone Tactical was a really nice gun and shot very well especially for the money, while the 10 mm was something of a disappointment at about $100 more. Rocks are still good bargains, but IMHO their overexpansion has hurt their quality in the low budget market. Money no object, I would talk to one of the big three (Wilson, Brown, Baer) but it is and I'm too old to think about Ferraris.
I've been quite happy with my RIA 10mm; paid $543 for it and the trigger is as good as a friends Kimber. Yes I spent about $20 for spring pack and $18 for FBFS so guess its close to $600. It fires everything I run thru it weekly and now has about 1700 rounds thru it. No its not pretty and no I don't have any BBQ rigs to brag on. It just goes bang every time with no drama. Same with my Glock 20; just keeps on going (yes it has a Storm Lake Match barrel so I can reuse my brass).
Dennis
Quote from: cmemiss on June 12 2013 06:08:10 PM MDT
Money no object, I would talk to one of the big three (Wilson, Brown, Baer)
Well, who wouldn't? But if cost is a big concern, $600 for a 10mm ain't bad!
gandog56,
$600 is absolutely great for all metal 10mm that doesn't pig belly the brass or require a aftermarket barrel. And the 10mm 1911is a great "stress reliever" .
Dennis
Quote from: denclaste on June 15 2013 05:51:43 PM MDT
And the 10mm 1911is a great "stress reliever" .
Dennis
Tell me about it, since both of my 10's ARE 1911's! ;D
The only thing I know of is the slew of models being dropped.
So here is the definitive list from CZ USA for the Discontinued guns for 2013.
So if you were looking for one of these and can find one now is the time to buy.
There may be some odd one coming still but once those are gone there will be no more
List of discontinued CZ products for 2013:
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=49898.0
Quote from: Intercooler on June 16 2013 08:30:09 PM MDT
The only thing I know of is the slew of models being dropped.
So here is the definitive list from CZ USA for the Discontinued guns for 2013.
So if you were looking for one of these and can find one now is the time to buy.
There may be some odd one coming still but once those are gone there will be no more
List of discontinued CZ products for 2013:
http://www.czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=49898.0
Well, CZ stopped making the Dan Wesson Razorback. But I think a lot of potential customers wrote or emailed them, so they started making them again. I mean, unless there is a newer model .380 ACP, I can't believe they are discontinuing the CZ83.
I think the razorback change was more about creating an inventory space between the old and new models. IIRC the old ones were cast frame, and the new ones forged.
I don't wanna start a war about cast vs forged. Yes...Forged are stronger. No...you aren't likely to tell a difference between the 500,000+ rounds a cast 1911 will run and the 1,000,000 rounds a forged one will run.
I would find it odd if they drop the -83 without a replacement.
Pure speculation, but they might be letting the supply pipeline empty for a year before introducing new models. Seems to me the .380 is hot lately for CCH so not having one is puzzling.
Quote from: REDLINE on June 11 2013 04:26:40 PM MDT
Welcome to the forum cmemiss!
The Kimber makes a nice 10mm platform as it offers more chamber support than any other 10mm semi-auto platform I know of. Eats nuclear level 10mm loads with ease. 8)
It won't last long doing that if you don't upgrade the 18.5# factory recoil spring to 20# to 22# range and/or EGW non beveled FP Stop. Once that's done it will be a tough one to beat that's for sure.
You think that was a GOOD price? Before they ran out, Bud's guns was selling this one for $553.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411553499/RIA+51991+1911+TAC+II+10MM+VZ+GRP+8RD (http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411553499/RIA+51991+1911+TAC+II+10MM+VZ+GRP+8RD)
Squid, have a 22# spring due to arrive Monday, along with a flat bottom firing pin stop. I added the stop to offset the 20# mainspring I installed (reduced trigger pull a half pound, now just under 4). Hoping to find a balance and not be chasing brass all over the range.
GD 58, you might want to check here: http://lanbosarmory.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=24_27_28&products_id=15890 Out of state it is $10 shipping and no sales tax. When he gets more n stock.
My TLE/RL has from factory with 4.7# trigger, with cleaning and a proper synthetic oil in trigger group and a very light synthetic grease on rail contact surface and about 50 rounds later it has dropped to 4.3# if friends digital trigger pull gage is correct. The 4 to 5 pound range is about the sweat spot for a combat/duty/CCW gun like the TLE, but a target gun or comp gun like you have should be 2 to 4 pound range depending on type of shooting and individual preference.
I have the FPS in parts box waiting, but will wait till recoil spring arrives this week before doing that install.
Quote from: denclaste on June 15 2013 05:51:43 PM MDT
gandog56,
$600 is absolutely great for all metal 10mm that doesn't pig belly the brass or require a aftermarket barrel. And the 10mm 1911is a great "stress reliever" .
Dennis
I'm not sure. Many Glock owners swear they shoot the cast reloads that are supposedly the problem with the barrels going kaboom. I don't have a Glock 10mm because the grips are too big for my small, short fingered hand, and the grip angle just seems wrong to me, not because of the supposed barrel problem. They certainly are cheaper than most 1911 types.
The issue with Glock and lead, IMHO is bore diameter.
Any experienced cast boolit shooter will tell you you have to slug the bore, and size your bullets to your gun's barrel. Most guys I know that have checked their Glocks find the barrel to be about .001"-.002" over nominal.
This means that most commercial cast bullets for a given caliber are too small for a glock barrel. In 10mm, for example, most commercial cast bullets are sized .401", which is .001" over nominal .400" for 10mm. Such bullets would work fine in my P16-40/10mm which slugs out at .399", and in my p12 10mm conversion, which slugs out at .399" as well. They are marginal in my Witness guns which slug at .4005", and I would not even think of shooting them in my Glock which is .402".
I think the horror stories of Glocks, lead and KB's are from guys that aren't experienced, didn't educate themselves, bought a box o' bullets at the gun show that were insanely hard as well as undersize for their gun and didn't check the bore after a few shots to ensure they weren't getting leading.
Undersized, super hard lead bullets are certain to lead severely.
Having shot several 1000 rounds of lead in 20 & 29's factory barrels. Most people don't know that polygonal rifling was designed for lead use originally in 22 rim-fire high end target rifles in Europe. It gives a better grip on the bullet with less pressure allowing better velocity and less leading thus requiring longer shooting periods between accuracy falling off.
The only problem shooting lead in a Glock is the same with shooting lead in a S&W or Ruger automatic or revolver for that matter and that is shooting lead then switching to jacked bullets and suddenly having too much restriction for bullet to pass thru barrel. Other cause is Glock is true combat gun designed to chamber fire round after round even when in mud, dirt and sand, one thing important to this reliability is a loose chamber no more lower round support then needed for standard military ammo just as the Colt 1911's were of WWI, WWII, Korea and Viet Nam fame. When you have ever seen one of these two come up out of the ocean with salt water and sand running out of them as they were fired and you will understand why US military wanted Glocks or new 1911's almost 30 years ago instead of POS Beretta they got, and why USMC has gone back to Colt 45ACP 1911's.