I'm looking for a 10mm woods carry gun to replace my G20. I know, I know, it's a good gun but I just hate Glocks. I still want a double stack, right now this is my list.
RIA 1911 ULTRA FS HC
M&P 4" NS
Witness Elite Match
IFG Defiant Stock I
I'd like to keep it at 1k or less, is there anything I'm missing?
There is nothing wrong with the Glock 20, very reliable firearm...I do like the Elite Match and Stock series
Nope, nothing wrong with it. I just don't enjoy shooting Glocks.
The problem most of the market gave up on double stack 10mm leaving it all to Glock. Love my p220/10 buts it?s the G40 in the woods. Am looking at the RIA HC inn10mm - 16 rounds. But I feels SA only is just as bad as striker fired.
I vote for the M&P or Witness.
I want to love my RIA Ultra FS HC. I even spent a fair bit of labor re-contouring that magwell to make it carryable under a shirt. But it has never passed my 200 rounds without a stoppage test. My Para P16-10mm does, so it gets the nod when I want to carry a 1911. But...A day or two with that much weight in the holster makes me re-think my life choices.
The Elite Match is a solid gun and I can't remember the last time I had a stoppage. But, every single edge on that gun can be used to shave. Fine for the range, not great for carry. I would guess after a day or two I would also grow tired of the weight, but I never have gotten through two days before I decide the sharp edges are not fun.
The IFG Stock I has promise based on the pictures. But weight will once again be a big issue, and I gotta think that beaver tail will be bothersome too. Maybe the pictures just make it look big, but I am pretty sure with some trap wires an F-14 could land on it.
That leaves the M&P, which I have no experience with. However, in general poly framed guns are light enough to be carried and tend to be pretty reliable. On that list it is the gun I would have the most confidence I would be happy with for actual carry.
If you want a steel frame, don't over-look the plain old Witness. Mine is very good and gets the nod at least 10 days a month for EDC.
Thanks all, I appreciate the replies. I've decided to go with the M&P. I already have 6 of them. 5 in 9mm and one in 22. So I'm more than familiar with the platform. I also have a handful of CZ pistols, so the Witness is a damn close second. If I need warranty work down the road I'd prefer to deal with S&W.
Quote from: optimator on January 23 2022 11:01:19 AM MST
I'm looking for a 10mm woods carry gun to replace my G20. I know, I know, it's a good gun but I just hate Glocks. I still want a double stack, right now this is my list.
RIA 1911 ULTRA FS HC
M&P 4" NS
Witness Elite Match
IFG Defiant Stock I
I'd like to keep it at 1k or less, is there anything I'm missing?
I have the RIA it's a well done 10 though I prefer my Witness Hunter it fits the hand better.
Witness fan here.
I have the RIA and it has been reliable, accurate, etc. However, it's heavy so chest holster works best.
I had the G20 and I had nothing but problems with it. I have the G40 MOS with a Delta Point Pro and it's been my go to for spot & stalk pistol in thick brush.
I also have a SF XD-M 4.6 and it's accurate, reliable, etc and it's my back up woods pistol.
M&P is my next buy, mainly because it's a 10mm and closes the gap between the XD and G40.
Never had a problem with a G20 or the G20SF, they have always ran top notch.... and yes, I hate the Glock grip as well... they just run like tanks. 8)
A Tanfoglio P-Carry in 10mm would be a nice Carry option
Doesn?t the XD Series come in a double-stack 10mm?
Sam
Quote from: SHOOT1SAM on March 14 2022 05:25:20 PM MDT
Doesn?t the XD Series come in a double-stack 10mm?
Sam
The OSP 3.8" is still on the website. The larger 4.5 and 5.2 variants have been dropped.
If you're shopping RIA take a look at the Big Rock model 52000. 16+1 w/ a 6" barrel but it's heavy. Almost 4lbs loaded (weight does calm the recoil a bit.) The fiber optic sites, longer barrel, and rail makes it a little difficult finding a holster.
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The RIA weight sounds similar to my P220 Elite, it?s not that bad once you?ve lugged it around awhile : )
Go for the M&P.
Looking at one myself
Quote from: Kenk on March 21 2022 12:14:05 PM MDT
Looking at one myself
Buds has the 4 & 4.6 in stock but they both have the thumb safety, and I want the one without it. Of course, I could remove it, but I'll wait a bit longer to get the one I want before going that route.
Quote from: DenStinett on March 08 2022 03:57:11 PM MST
A Tanfoglio P-Carry in 10mm would be a nice Carry option
Agreed, even though I have a Witness Hunter I'm seriously thinking about a Witness P.
Quote from: thequintessentialman on March 16 2022 09:21:05 PM MDT
If you're shopping RIA take a look at the Big Rock model 52000. 16+1 w/ a 6" barrel but it's heavy. Almost 4lbs loaded (weight does calm the recoil a bit.) The fiber optic sites, longer barrel, and rail makes it a little difficult finding a holster.
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I have the single-stack version. The only over-the-counter holster I've found to fit it is a Fobus, but I dunno if I'd trust it anywhere except on the range. I really am not a fan of plastic holsters, but it was cheap and more important, it fit the gun.
Evening glennasher, you should check out GunFighterInc, and see what they have to offer. I have several, and have been extremely happy with their work
Glock 20
But to setup as a woods pistol
KKM barrel and NDZ 22 pound spring and stainless rod.
Heavy 200gr XTP handloads
The RIA Rock Ultra FS HC is of similar weight (unless it?s the same weapon) and proven itself to be very reliable
I think the 52000 is the longslide version of the Rock Ultra FS HC. The extra slide/barrel mass should actually improve both reliability and ballistic effectiveness, but at the expense of a heavier, bulkier gun.
I vote for the RIA
And their price is very reasonable too
Smith
Very comfortable grip and the trigger is really good compared to the Glock .
I would buy the M&P, but I have the EAA Witness Hunter, and I don't have the M&P 10 yet. If I were recommending the most comfortable-to-shoot, accurate 10mm handgun that I personally own and know, it would be the Witness Hunter. Recently took it to the range along with my XP Elite in 10, and there is just no comparison in terms of my ability to shoot the two with good results. The XP is 'just okay', not all that comfy to shoot (but beats the G20 by a long sea mile), and slippery in the hand. The witness is the best grip feel of all 10s I own, by a very, very wide margin. But, I don't know it it's even remotely comparable to the Witness choice you offered up as an option.
I would add for your consideration the Sig P320 X-Ten.
Sig makes a great gun, it is optics ready if you want to go that way and has a lot of features.
if it wasn't for my chest holster and extra mags I would sell my G40 and buy one myself.