Found a few of these laying around that were super tarnished like black from weather and I am not sure where I got them from. I have them in the wet tumbler to see how they do. I also found enough small primers to do these. Talk about desperate for something to load!! Craig
Came out like new of course. For data you have to use 40 cal. Oh well we are having fun now!!!! Craig
Hodgdon has data for hp-38 so I am OK there and I have loaded these in the past but kind of gave up as I have 800 or 900 IMI Sampson rounds in my stock. I just couldn't throw these away as you may never see the brass again for 41 AE. Craig
Hey Craig, is this what your talking about
https://www.grafs.com/catalog/product/productId/83287
Yeah those are them but remember with the 800+ I have in stock I really don't need any more for reloading!! I really need to shoot a bunch.!!! Craig
OK got the 5 loaded and what a chore. I broke the setting die stem on one set of dies but had another I have never used and it took a while to set the die. These are mag dies set up for 41AE and they do work but barely. 1 of the 5 got damaged a little and I am not sure it will chamber but it might. It will make for a fun range session. Craig 8)
Not sure if I ever told the story of these 800+ IMI Sampson rounds for 41AE but when handloads.com was still going a man called Setso had these rounds and he and I were making a deal for them when I had a bad motorcycle accident. I had forgot about the rounds untill about a year later my old boss said there were rounds in the break room that had been sent to me. Yep 41AE from Setso. A few weeks later he passed away. I shoot this gun every so often but rarely. So that's how I end up with a few empties. Like 10mm you just don't get a lot back. Craig
Craig I remember him...Robert Matsuhiro He and I used to communicate on FB before he passed away!
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I think I knew that you new him but it was a while ago but I will never forget as we were talking about a few rounds in a box!! he didn't say it was a few boxes in a case!! I did pay him something for them but it was like 175.00 cheap even at that time. He was a good guy that went to the trouble of chasing down my work address and then just sent them. I miss handloads.com in general but this forum is great also!!! Craig
Yep we had many friends over at Handloads.com... In fact one of the fellow members "Guy", Guy Miner was into big game hunting in the western mountains. Well he is a regular guest on Gavin Gear's The Ultimate Reloader where they make some great YouTube videos.
This video tells you a good bit of Guy's background and the latest handloads for 308Win.
https://youtu.be/5iQ7lHoETac (https://youtu.be/5iQ7lHoETac)
Also I see a few post from "Rigmarole" David Johnson Sr. on FB as well...yes missing the old Handloads Forum and the great bunch of people we came to know!
OK back from the gun show and it was not good. The primers were 175 and 200 so I passed on both of those. Some people did have them so they must be available to a certain extent. Oh well ain't but something to do. Craig
BTW I did buy some 10mm brass as I can reload those as I have large pistol primers but running low on bullets. Oh well. Craig
Range report!! I shot all the 41AE reloads and they all chambered and shot good. Then I switched to the Samson rounds in 41AE and boy are they hot!! I will look at the data for the reloads I did in HP38 powder. Possibly not loaded very hot or close to max but that's the way I like it. BTW no problems with feeding or cambering and 1 of my reloads was very suspect but chambered fine. Good time even though I was only out for a few minutes. I am concerned about the bow hunters but have seen no one. Craig
The data was 4.1 starting and 4.6 max so I loaded 4.3. I will load at 4.6 next time if there is one. Craig
Well I just bought 1500 small pistol primers for 199.00 plus shipping, pricey but I got them coming. If I get them I will turn you all on to the place. Craig
Well this is amusing, I just found a partial box of 50 41AE I did sometime. Nor sure what it is except 210g bullet and Power Pistol powder. I am going to work up a load and would like to use AA9 if I can come up with some data. This is close to 10mm if I load light but what to load I am not sure. Any input???? Craig
I did just find some 40 cal data for AA9 and up to 200g bullets. Also Midway has 41 cal Sierra bullets in 170g I would get some of those to try. I may have used them in the past. Craig
This is even better!! I went out to my reloading room and found two unopened Sierra 170g 41 cal boxes. Oh happy days!! I thought I remembered something about 170g bullets. So I will unload (shoot) some 41 reloads I just found and try to collect the brass. We are having fun now!!! Craig
I went to my range today to see if I could find any of the 41AE brass I shot yesterday. Couldn't find a one!! so I shot 2 with a net catching arrangement that didn't work at all!! I will hand unload some of these to test the 170g loads. I did shoot the 210 reloads that I found and boy they were as hot as the factory samson rounds. For just 2 shots it was kind of fun!! Craig
This is getting stranger by the day. I found some 41AE in my storage area. Some were the 210g but some were 170g Power Pistol at 7.0g. I will shoot some of these to see how they are. I bet they are fine. Boy my brain damage is catching up with me as I don't remember much about these rounds in general and it was only a few years ago I did all this. Oh well!!! Craig
I think this is a record for a bad day!!!!!! I got an text from fed ex stating a signature is needed for a delivery. I thought no problem I remember how to write my name so I waited all day for delivery of, YES, primers. At 4 pm they changed the tracking page as my delivery will be delayed until tomorrow. I skipped breakfast and lunch waiting for fed rx so at 4 pm I went to my favored subway and of course they were closed due to no help available. Boy normally on a day this bad I could at leased reload but no primers. Craig
Received my 1500 small pistol primers today from Fed Ex. I got them from the Castle arms and ammo web site and paid 199 plus 45 in tax and shipping. I will load a few and try to test tomorrow. At leased I got them and they are Fiocchi brand which I have heard of but not sure I have ever used them. They had other brands at other prices but I went for the cheap one's. Well in general I couldn't be happier!!!!!! I will report back as soon as I shoot these. Craig
Just finished 10 to test and the primers went together without any issues. Will post back. Craig
RANGE REPORT!!! I tried to shoot the 41AE 170g bullets and they were too long for the mag. I will set them deeper and try again on those. Shot the 10 rounds 9mm 125g pp with the new Fiocci primers and had no issues. Finished up with some 22 out of the S&W MP22 and all went fine. Will report back on the 41AE. Craig
Sounds good Craig, good luck with the 41AE
Hey Wade I found some 41 Lehigh deference bullets I tried to load at one time and did succeed with one 41 I found but didn't shoot. These are a very strange looks like all copper or not lead bullet. I do remember trying to swede these down to 10mm with a taper crimp die but don't remember the outcome. Ain't but something to do. The problem with these is they run big to make the weight and you run out of room in the 41AE case. Better for 41 mag I would think. Craig
The 41 Lehigh deference bullets are either solid copper or bronze, made for 41 mag. It would be difficult to swage them down to 10mm and yes the solid copper is lighter than lead therefore bullets the same weight as lead are longer and take up plenty of case capacity.
I think I remember you telling me that a while ago. I think if I am careful I may be able to load these in 41AE but not sure if it is worth the trouble. Thanks for the info just the same. BTW I was moving some stuff in the reloading room and came across some 10mm HST JHP 180g. They need cleaned up but are in good shape other than that. I will wet tumble them. I now have small primers but am trying to find other things that need done so I don't load them all up. Ha Ha Craig
Well I found some 115g 9mm FMJ also in need of cleaning so I did those and the 180g 10mm HST and ALL came out better than new. I JUST LOVE WET TUMBLING!!! CRAIG
Went out today with the 41AE 170g rounds and they shot the best so far of any I have shot. It's just a nice round lighter than either the 210g or factory samson rounds. I will take some apart to see what I loaded but am waiting for a new bushing for the RCBS unloading hammer. Shot some 9mm in the 5906 S&W and it shot great. Also shot the Ruger 22-45 target model 22 and it was very good with the reflex site. I forgot I even had this gun!!! Craig
Shot today with the 22 Rugar to set the site but it didn't need it, just a shooter problem that I fixed. Also shot the Walther p38 with the Universal rounds and it was bad, just week rounds and I just checked the web site and my rounds were closer to hot than not. I will dismantle one to see if it's a loader error!! Did shoot some 125g JHP with Power Pistol and they were great!! Craig
I am loosing it for sure. I did the same thing with the Universal rounds on another thread but I am waiting for a new bushing for my unloader to take a few rounds apart. Craig
My new bushing showed from RCBS so I took apart the 170g 7.0g pp 41AE round and it was very close to 7.0 so that is good now the 9mm 4.3 round came in at 3.5 or so, so that was loaded light!! I think that round would have been alright at 4.3 as it almost worked at the lessor level. I will reload some at 4.3 to get rid of the powder and make sure it was my error. Craig
After studying the data for like a full day I loaded 2 rounds of 150g Lehigh defensive bullet with 8g Power Pistol with 9.0 being max for 40 cal this is 41AE. Boy any round with 9.0g Power Pistol is a stout round if you ask me. 8.0 starting is good and remember this is 40 cal data. 41AE is much stronger than 40 cal so we will see, maybe today. Craig
Back from the range. The 9mm 4.3g Hodgen 125g rounds shot OK but any round with Power Pistol is better. Now the 41AE 150g Lehigh defense round shot real good and a lot of fun. I can load these up now. I compared them to 170g JHP and they were only just a little under powered but close. I like to shoot them and I have a bunch so end of story. I will need to get some brass as I don't want to unload a bunch. Kenk turned me on to a site that had new brass but at 1.25 each I thought I would look around first. Craig
One other thing I forgot to mention. With the Lehigh being longer due to being made out of light material I adjusted the round light as the bullet is sitting so deep in the case. Max is 9 grains and I loaded 8.0 to be safe. I can go to 8.5 I feel safely. It is a little hard to come up with data when the bullet is very light compared to the size etc. Boy it was fun shooting it anyway!!!! Craig
Just got back from Cabelas to get the right collet for my Hornady bullet puller to use the press and save the powder. I am having a little trouble with that process but are still working on it. The other news is I called Cabelas yesterday to see about primers and they didn't have any. Today they had 20 1000 count boxes CCI small pistol primers. I bought one not needing it but I thought what the heck. I now have 2500. Should last me awhile. I will need powder but do have quite a bit in my stock. Craig
One quick question. If I can make this bullet puller work I can then just put in a 150g bullet replacing the 200g I am taking out. This will save powder and primer. Any problem with that thinking. I will reflair and seat with a taper crimp to finish. I am only trying for 10 or so. Craig
Well I just did two of these. The Hornady does not work so I used the hammer style unloader and I can unload with one swing of the hammer. I may be loosing a fraction of the powder but at the lower weight I don't think it will matter. Craig
Shot the rounds I did yesterday which was the 200g removal and replace with 150 Lehigh bullet. It was not as good as my 170g with power pistol. I think I will just unload and reload with fresh powder. I do have good data from Lehigh for 40 cal and they do have 150g and all the powders I use. I may try AA9 but I like Power Pistol so it needs more work. Shooting the 170g today and comparing it to the 210g and factory samson, the 170 seemed to be a little hot but that was after shooting the reloaded rounds so who knows. Craig
Taking a break from 41AE. I was talking to a friend that has a range on his property that I use and I dropped off some 9mm for him and his son to shoot. I asked about 380 that the wife caries but never shoots. He was saying that the wife doesn't need any but his mother shoots 380 when she has rounds. I delivered 50 the next day. Kind of makes me the hero of the family. Craig
Fixed the 41AE Lehigh rounds that jammed in the mag as they were seated too long at 1.16 instead of 1.15. Will shoot those today just to test. This new range is getting me cleaned out of small quantities and I am loving it. Craig
Back from the new range and shot the 41AE Lehigh rounds and they were OK but very weak I need to reload these up but finding data for 150g is not easy. I may just find a Power Pistol load and work up. Craig
OK Alliant data for 150g is max 9.0 so I will load that or just slightly less.
Just curious what gun are you shooting for the 41?
I used to shoot a lot of 41 25-30 years ago.
My 41?s consist of:
Jericho 941
Tanfoglio 41
Hi Power conversion
1911 commander conversion with compensator
I used to load for them as well, but I don?t remember much.
Mine is the Tanfoglio 41 I got at a super low price at a gun show. I called Tanfoglio and they sent me a 9mm barrel and spring but I have so many 9's I converted it back to 41AE. I shoot it once in a while but love to reload so I am working up a load. Craig
Quote from: gadabout on November 28 2021 11:09:10 AM MST
Mine is the Tanfoglio 41 I got at a super low price at a gun show. I called Tanfoglio and they sent me a 9mm barrel and spring but I have so many 9's I converted it back to 41AE. I shoot it once in a while but love to reload so I am working up a load. Craig
Sounds like we have similar TZ?s. I forgot to mention that I have a 9mm conversion as well. I?m not sure if I ever shot it with the 9 come to think of it.
Hey Vice when you got like 10 9mm in the safe there is no reason to make the 41 a 9mm but it did shoot good as I remember. Anyway I have 50 empties in the wet tumbler and will load the 150g Lehigh bullet. I really just got into reloading the 41 but not to into shooting it. Craig
Well finished the Lehigh 45 rounds in 41AE and did them at 8.8g Power Pistol. The 150g weight aught to fly OK as 9.0 was max for 40 cal. I still loaded a little light due to length of bullet so we will see. Craig
Well back from the range and all I can say is WOW. The Lehigh is there, rounds at 8.7 and 150g bullet was very stout to say the leased. and I was comparing it to the 210g JHP I did a few years ago and the Lehigh were right there. I loved it. I will compare these to the samsom factory rounds but I am sure they will compare fine. What a good time!!!! Craig
Shot 50 IMI samson 200g 41AE this afternoon and found 49 of the empties. These seemed the same as my 150g Lehigh rounds so I will do more at 8.5g power pistol. It's another sesssion where the black dot went away but still too many didn't hit the black, oh well!!!Craig
This is kind of funny!! The man running the target range said he would look for my lost 41AE brass as he has to sweep the whole range throughout the day. I found a stray spent case in my living room of my house and yes it's a 41AE. I left a message for the man to stop looking!! Well I got a bunch of everything to reload this weekend!!! Craig
Back at this just for something to do!! I loaded some with Alliant 300mp and it was exciting! Being that slow a powder max is like 17.5 so I loaded at 16 and what a flash and the sound was load. I loaded some more at 14 and it was OK but will settle on 14.5. The power pistol rounds at 8.5 are the best so far but I am out of the powder. Not having the right powder is a problem for me as I forget what I have loaded a week later and must unload one to see what I did. I know better labeling is in order right? Ha Ha Craig